Chullin Daf 110 (חולין דף ק״י)
Daf: 110 | Amudim: 110a – 110b | Date: Loading...
📖 Breakdown
Amud Aleph (110a)
Segment 1
TYPE: תירוץ
Completing the answer from 109b: the baraita’s wording was borrowed from the kevah clause
Hebrew/Aramaic:
שֶׁבִּשְּׁלָהּ בַּחֲלָבָהּ – אֲסוּרָה, דַּאֲפִילּוּ דִּיעֲבַד נָמֵי לָא, תְּנָא נָמֵי רֵישָׁא שֶׁבִּשְּׁלָהּ.
English Translation:
of a suckling lamb or calf that one cooked together with the milk it contains is prohibited. There, even if one roasted it he may not eat it after the fact. To preserve symmetry, the tanna of the baraita taught in the first clause in this manner as well, stating: An udder that one cooked in its milk is permitted.
קלאוד על הדף:
The daf opens by finishing the sentence broken off at the end of 109b. The baraita’s past-tense phrasing about the udder — shebishlo, that one cooked — had suggested that roasting is permitted only bedieved. The answer is that the wording was carried over from the second clause about the kevah, where the past tense is genuinely needed because a kevah roasted with its milk is forbidden even after the fact. Roasting an udder is permitted lechatchila. This is the third time in two dapim that a source’s wording is explained by parallelism with an adjacent clause rather than read for legal implication.
Key Terms:
- דִּיעֲבַד = after the fact — as opposed to lechatchila, at the outset
- רֵישָׁא = the first clause of a source, as opposed to the seifa
Segment 2
TYPE: מעשה
Rav Yitzchak bar Avudimi: Rav found an open valley and fenced it in
Hebrew/Aramaic:
כִּי סְלֵיק רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר, אַשְׁכְּחֵיהּ לִזְעֵירִי, אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אִיכָּא תַּנָּא דְּאַתְנְיֵיהּ לְרַב כְּחָל? אַחְוְיֵיהּ לְרַב יִצְחָק בַּר אֲבוּדִימִי. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אֲנִי לֹא שָׁנִיתִי לוֹ כְּחָל כׇּל עִיקָּר, וְרַב – בִּקְעָה מָצָא וְגָדַר בָּהּ גָּדֵר.
English Translation:
§ The Gemara above cited a second version of Rav’s opinion, according to which an udder that was roasted without being torn is prohibited for consumption. The Gemara relates: When Rabbi Elazar ascended from Babylonia to Eretz Yisrael he found Ze’eiri and said to him: Is there a tanna who taught Rav that an udder roasted without first being torn is prohibited? Ze’eiri showed him Rav Yitzḥak bar Avudimi. Rav Yitzḥak bar Avudimi said to Rabbi Elazar: I did not teach Rav that an udder is prohibited at all; rather, Rav found an unguarded valley and fenced it in. Rav taught this stringent ruling as an additional safeguard in Babylonia, where Jews were not careful about the prohibition of meat cooked in milk.
קלאוד על הדף:
Rabbi Elazar, traveling to Eretz Yisrael, sought the tannaitic source behind Rav’s stringent version — that an untorn roasted udder is forbidden. He was directed to Rav Yitzchak bar Avudimi, who denied ever teaching such a thing. Rav’s ruling was not received tradition but local legislation: bik’a matza vegadar bah gader, he found an unguarded valley and fenced it in. The phrase is one of the Talmud’s most vivid images for a Sage enacting a protective decree suited to the conditions of his own community rather than transmitting a received law.
Key Terms:
- בִּקְעָה מָצָא וְגָדַר בָּהּ גָּדֵר = he found a valley and fenced it in — a Sage instituting a local safeguard where the community was lax
- סְלֵיק = he went up — the standard term for traveling from Bavel to Eretz Yisrael
- זְעֵירִי = Ze’eiri, an amora of Eretz Yisrael
Segment 3
TYPE: מעשה
What Rav overheard in Tatlefush
Hebrew/Aramaic:
דְּרַב אִיקְּלַע לְטַטְלְפוּשׁ, שַׁמְעַהּ לְהַהִיא אִיתְּתָא דְּקָאָמְרָה לַחֲבִירְתַּהּ: רִיבְעָא דְּבִשְׂרָא כַּמָּה חֲלָבָא בָּעֵי לְבַשּׁוֹלֵי? אָמַר: לָא גְּמִירִי דְּבָשָׂר בְּחָלָב אָסוּר, אִיעַכַּב וַאֲסַר לְהוּ כַּחְלֵי.
English Translation:
The Gemara elaborates: As when Rav arrived in Tatlefush, he heard a certain woman saying to another: How much milk does it require to cook a quarter weight of meat? Rav said: Evidently, these people are not learned enough in halakha to know that meat cooked in milk is prohibited. Rav tarried in that place, and prohibited even udders to them, so that they would not come to violate the prohibition of meat cooked in milk.
קלאוד על הדף:
The Gemara supplies the incident that prompted the decree. Arriving in Tatlefush, Rav overheard one woman asking another how much milk was needed to cook a quarter of meat — a question that presupposed no awareness that the combination is forbidden at all. Recognizing that basar bechalav was simply unknown there, he stayed and forbade even udders, whose milk is not halachically milk. The stringency is calibrated to ignorance rather than to the substance: where the underlying prohibition is not known, the permitted borderline case becomes dangerous.
Key Terms:
- טַטְלְפוּשׁ = Tatlefush, a Babylonian locale whose residents were unfamiliar with the laws of meat and milk
- לָא גְּמִירִי = they are not learned — the diagnosis on which Rav’s decree rested
Segment 4
TYPE: לישנא אחרינא
Rabbi Yosei bar Abba’s version: Rav generalized a ruling about a nursing animal
Hebrew/Aramaic:
רַב כָּהֲנָא מַתְנֵי הָכִי. רַבִּי יוֹסֵי בַּר אַבָּא מַתְנֵי: אֲנָא, כְּחָל שֶׁל מְנִיקָה שָׁנִיתִי לוֹ, וּמִפִּלְפּוּלוֹ שֶׁל רַב חִיָּיא שְׁנָה לֵיהּ כְּחָל סְתָם.
English Translation:
Rav Kahana teaches that Rav Yitzḥak bar Avudimi replied to Rabbi Elazar in that manner described above. By contrast, Rabbi Yosei bar Abba teaches that Rav Yitzḥak bar Avudimi said: I taught Rav only that the udder of an animal nursing offspring is prohibited, as its udder contains much milk. And due to the sharp mind of Rav Ḥiyya, Rav’s teacher, he assumed that Rav too would understand this without his saying so explicitly. Therefore, he taught this halakha to Rav with regard to an unspecified udder. Rav mistakenly thought that the ruling applies to all animals.
קלאוד על הדף:
A second transmission gives a very different account. Rav Yitzchak bar Avudimi did teach the ruling — but only about the udder of a nursing animal, which is full of milk. Trained under Rav Chiyya’s sharp method, he stated it without qualification, expecting Rav to supply the restriction himself. Rav did not, and took the ruling to cover every udder. On this version Rav’s stringency is not a deliberate decree but a misunderstanding produced by a teaching style that left too much unsaid.
Key Terms:
- מְנִיקָה = a nursing animal, whose udder is full of actual milk
- כְּחָל סְתָם = an unspecified udder — the unqualified form in which the ruling reached Rav
- פִּלְפּוּלוֹ שֶׁל רַב חִיָּיא = the sharp dialectical method of Rav Chiyya, which relied on students filling in unstated qualifications
Segment 5
TYPE: מעשה
Ravin declines a dish of udder at Rav Pappi’s house, and Abaye’s rebuke
Hebrew/Aramaic:
רָבִין וְרַב יִצְחָק בַּר יוֹסֵף אִיקְּלַעוּ לְבֵי רַב פַּפֵּי, אַיְיתוֹ לְקַמַּיְיהוּ תַּבְשִׁילָא דִּכְחָל. רַב יִצְחָק בַּר יוֹסֵף אֲכַל, רָבִין לָא אֲכַל. אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: רָבִין תַּכָּלָא, אַמַּאי לָא אֲכַל? מִכְּדֵי, דְּבֵיתְהוּ דְּרַב פַּפֵּי בְּרַתֵּיה דְּרַבִּי יִצְחָק נַפָּחָא הֲוַאי, וְרַבִּי יִצְחָק נַפָּחָא מָרֵיהּ דְּעוֹבָדָא הֲוָה, אִי לָאו דִּשְׁמִיעַ לַהּ מִבֵּי נָשָׁא לָא הֲוָה עָבְדָא.
English Translation:
The Gemara relates that Ravin and Rav Yitzḥak bar Yosef arrived at the house of Rav Pappi. The servants brought before them a dish made of udder. Rav Yitzḥak bar Yosef ate of it, but Ravin did not eat. Abaye said: Bereaved Ravin, why do you not eat? After all, Rav Pappi’s wife is the daughter of Rabbi Yitzḥak Nappaḥa, and Rabbi Yitzḥak Nappaḥa was a master of good deeds, who was meticulous in his performance of mitzvot. Had Rav Pappi’s wife not heard in her father’s house that such a dish is permitted, she would not have made it.
קלאוד על הדף:
At Rav Pappi’s table Rav Yitzchak bar Yosef ate the udder dish and Ravin abstained. Abaye criticizes the abstention on an evidentiary rather than legal ground: Rav Pappi’s wife was the daughter of Rabbi Yitzchak Nappacha, a meticulous observer, and she would not have prepared the dish had she not learned in her father’s house that it was permitted. The argument treats a woman’s transmitted household practice as reliable testimony to the halakha — the conduct of a punctilious home functioning as evidence in its own right.
Key Terms:
- מָרֵיהּ דְּעוֹבָדָא = a master of deeds — one meticulous in practice, whose household conduct is halachically probative
- תַּכָּלָא = bereaved — an expression of exasperated affection used by Abaye toward Ravin
Segment 6
TYPE: מנהג ומעשה
Sura abstains, Pumbedita eats: Rami bar Tamrei gathers the discarded udders
Hebrew/Aramaic:
בְּסוּרָא לָא אָכְלִי כַּחְלֵי, בְּפוּמְבְּדִיתָא אָכְלִי כַּחְלֵי. רָמֵי בַּר תַּמְרֵי, דְּהוּא רָמֵי בַּר דִּיקּוּלֵי, מִפּוּמְבְּדִיתָא אִיקְּלַע לְסוּרָא בְּמַעֲלֵי יוֹמָא דְכִפּוּרֵי. אַפְּקִינְהוּ כּוּלֵּי עָלְמָא לְכַחְלִינְהוּ שְׁדִינְהוּ, אֲזַל אִיהוּ נַקְטִינְהוּ אַכְלִינְהוּ.
English Translation:
The Gemara relates: In Sura they would not eat udders at all, even torn and roasted. But in Pumbedita they would eat udders. Rami bar Tamrei, who is also called Rami bar Dikulei, from Pumbedita, arrived in Sura on the eve of Yom Kippur. Since it is a mitzva to eat and drink then, large quantities of meat were cooked, and everyone brought out their udders from the animals they had slaughtered and threw them away. Rami bar Tamrei went and gathered the udders, roasted them, and ate them, in accordance with his custom.
קלאוד על הדף:
The Gemara records a settled divergence of custom between the two great Babylonian academies — Sura would not eat udders at all, Pumbedita would. Rami bar Tamrei of Pumbedita arrived in Sura on erev Yom Kippur, when much meat was being prepared, and found the townspeople discarding their udders. He collected, roasted, and ate them according to his own custom. The scene sets up the daf’s central legal question about a traveler bound by two sets of local practice, and introduces one of the Talmud’s most memorable characters.
Key Terms:
- סוּרָא וּפוּמְבְּדִיתָא = Sura and Pumbedita, the two principal Babylonian academies, here differing in local custom
- רָמֵי בַּר תַּמְרֵי = Rami bar Tamrei, also called Rami bar Dikulei, a sharp-witted visitor from Pumbedita
- מַעֲלֵי יוֹמָא דְכִפּוּרֵי = the eve of Yom Kippur, when it is a mitzva to eat and drink
Segment 7
TYPE: מעשה והלכה
Rav Chisda invokes the rule of local stringencies; Rami answers that he ate outside the boundary
Hebrew/Aramaic:
אַיְיתוּהּ לְקַמֵּיהּ דְּרַב חִסְדָּא, אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אַמַּאי תַּעֲבֵיד הָכִי? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: מֵאַתְרָא דְּרַב יְהוּדָה אֲנָא, דְּאָכֵיל. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: וְלֵית לָךְ נוֹתְנִין עָלָיו חוּמְרֵי הַמָּקוֹם שֶׁיָּצָא מִשָּׁם וְחוּמְרֵי הַמָּקוֹם שֶׁהָלַךְ לְשָׁם? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: חוּץ לַתְּחוּם אֲכַלְתִּינְהוּ.
English Translation:
The residents of Sura brought Rami bar Tamrei before Rav Ḥisda, who said to him: Why did you do this? Rami bar Tamrei said to Rav Ḥisda: I am from the place of Rav Yehuda, who eats udders, and this is the accepted custom in Pumbedita. Rav Ḥisda said to him: And do you not hold by the principle that the Sages impose upon a traveler the stringencies of the place that he left and also the stringencies of the place to which he went? You should have accepted the stringency of Sura and not eaten the udders. Rami bar Tamrei said to Rav Ḥisda: That principle applies only to one who remains in the place he is visiting, but I ate the udders outside the boundaries of Sura.
קלאוד על הדף:
Brought before Rav Chisda, Rami invokes his home custom, and Rav Chisda counters with the governing principle: a traveler carries the stringencies of the place he left and assumes those of the place he entered. Rami’s reply is a precise piece of lawyering — he ate the udders chutz latechum, outside Sura’s Shabbat boundary, and therefore was never within the jurisdiction of its custom at the moment of eating. The exchange establishes that the rule of local stringency is territorial in the strict sense.
Key Terms:
- חוּמְרֵי הַמָּקוֹם = the stringencies of the place — the rule binding a traveler to both his origin’s and his destination’s customs
- חוּץ לַתְּחוּם = outside the boundary — beyond the techum, the Shabbat limit that defines a locality’s territory
Segment 8
TYPE: מעשה
The grape seeds and the concern of yayin nesech
Hebrew/Aramaic:
וּבְמָה טְוִיתִינְהוּ? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: בְּפוּרְצָנֵי. וְדִלְמָא מִיֵּין נֶסֶךְ הֲווֹ? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: לְאַחַר שְׁנֵים עָשָׂר חֹדֶשׁ הֲווֹ.
English Translation:
Rav Ḥisda further asked Rami bar Tamrei: And with what did you roast the udders? Rami bar Tamrei said to him: I roasted them with grape seeds [purtzenei] I found in the vines there. Rav Ḥisda objected: But how could you roast the udders with grape seeds, as perhaps they were from wine used for a libation to idolatry, from which it is prohibited to derive benefit. Rami bar Tamrei said to him: These were old seeds that still lay there after twelve months had passed since the grapes were used, and any prohibition had expired, as by that point they are assumed to have lost any prohibited liquid that previously remained inside.
קלאוד על הדף:
Rav Chisda shifts from the udders to the fuel. Rami roasted them over grape seeds gathered from the vines, and Rav Chisda raises the possibility that they derived from wine used in idolatrous libation, from which no benefit may be taken. Rami answers that the seeds were more than twelve months old, by which point any residual prohibited liquid is presumed to have dissipated. The interrogation has now moved well past the udder question into a general test of Rami’s halachic alertness.
Key Terms:
- יֵין נֶסֶךְ = wine used for an idolatrous libation, from which benefit is forbidden
- פּוּרְצָנֵי = grape seeds and skins left after pressing, here used as fuel
- לְאַחַר שְׁנֵים עָשָׂר חֹדֶשׁ = after twelve months — the period after which residual wine in the pressings is presumed gone
Segment 9
TYPE: מעשה
The concern of theft, answered by ye’ush
Hebrew/Aramaic:
וְדִלְמָא דְּגָזֵל הֲוָה? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: יֵאוּשׁ בְּעָלִים הֲוָה, דִּקְדַחוּ בְּהוּ חִילְפֵי.
English Translation:
Rav Ḥisda further objected: But perhaps these seeds were from stolen property, i.e., they belonged to someone and it was prohibited for you to take them. Rami bar Tamrei said to him: Even so, in this case there was certainly despair of the owners of recovering them, as grass was growing among them. Since the owners had allowed them to lie there for so long, they had clearly given up all hope of retrieving them.
קלאוד על הדף:
Rav Chisda presses further: the seeds belonged to someone, so taking them was theft. Rami answers with ye’ush be’alim, the owners’ abandonment of hope — demonstrated by the grass that had grown up among the seeds, proof that they had lain untouched long enough for any expectation of recovery to have lapsed. Each of Rami’s answers supplies not just a legal category but the concrete evidence establishing it, which is what makes the sequence a display of reasoning rather than mere evasion.
Key Terms:
- יֵאוּשׁ בְּעָלִים = the owners’ despair of recovery, which affects the status of abandoned property
- דִּקְדַחוּ בְּהוּ חִילְפֵי = grass had sprouted among them — the physical evidence that the seeds had long been abandoned
Segment 10
TYPE: מעשה
Why Rami wore no tefillin: intestinal illness
Hebrew/Aramaic:
חַזְיֵיהּ דְּלָא הֲוָה מַנַּח תְּפִילִּין, אֲמַר לֵיהּ: מַאי טַעְמָא לָא מַנְּחַתְּ תְּפִילִּין? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: חוֹלֵי מֵעַיִין הוּא, וְאָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה: חוֹלֵי מֵעַיִין פָּטוּר מִן הַתְּפִילִּין.
English Translation:
Rav Ḥisda saw that Rami bar Tamrei had not donned phylacteries, and said to him: What is the reason that you have not donned phylacteries? Rami bar Tamrei said to him: He, i.e., I, am suffering from intestinal illness, and Rav Yehuda said that one who has intestinal illness is exempt from the mitzva of phylacteries, which require a clean body, because he would have to remove them constantly to defecate.
קלאוד על הדף:
The interrogation turns from Rami’s actions to his person. Observing that he wore no tefillin, Rav Chisda asks why, and Rami cites Rav Yehuda’s ruling exempting one with intestinal illness, since tefillin require a clean body and such a person must repeatedly remove them. Every answer Rami gives is sourced to Rav Yehuda, the head of Pumbedita — the pattern quietly asserting that his conduct is not idiosyncratic but the practice of his own academy.
Key Terms:
- חוֹלֵי מֵעַיִין = one suffering from intestinal illness, exempt from tefillin
- גּוּף נָקִי = a clean body — the condition tefillin require, which the exemption presupposes
Segment 11
TYPE: מעשה
Why Rami wore no tzitzit: a borrowed garment (continues on 110b)
Hebrew/Aramaic:
חַזְיֵיהּ דְּלָא הֲוָה קָא רָמֵי חוּטֵי, אֲמַר לֵיהּ: מַאי טַעְמָא לֵית לָךְ חוּטֵי? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: טַלִּית שְׁאוּלָה הִיא, וְאָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה:
English Translation:
Rav Ḥisda further saw that Rami bar Tamrei had not placed the threads of ritual fringes on his garment and said to him: What is the reason that you do not have the threads of ritual fringes? Rami bar Tamrei said to him: It is a borrowed robe, and Rav Yehuda said:
קלאוד על הדף:
Rav Chisda notices the absence of tzitzit and receives the same form of answer: the robe is borrowed, and Rav Yehuda ruled that a borrowed garment is exempt for a period. The amud breaks off mid-quotation with the length of that period supplied at the top of 110b — the page division falling, as it did between 109b and 110a, in the middle of a cited ruling.
Key Terms:
- טַלִּית שְׁאוּלָה = a borrowed garment, exempt from tzitzit for an initial period
- חוּטֵי = the threads, i.e., the ritual fringes of tzitzit
Amud Bet (110b)
Segment 1
TYPE: הלכה
The completion: a borrowed garment is exempt for thirty days
Hebrew/Aramaic:
טַלִּית שְׁאוּלָה כׇּל שְׁלֹשִׁים יוֹם פְּטוּרָה מִן הַצִּיצִית.
English Translation:
With regard to a borrowed robe, during all of the first thirty days that one borrows it, one is exempt from performing the mitzva of ritual fringes with it.
קלאוד על הדף:
Rav Yehuda’s ruling is completed: a borrowed garment is exempt from tzitzit for the first thirty days. The underlying logic is that the obligation attaches to a garment through a settled relationship of ownership or long-term use, which a short-term loan does not establish. With this the last of Rav Chisda’s four challenges to Rami is answered, every one of them out of Rav Yehuda’s teachings.
Key Terms:
- שְׁלֹשִׁים יוֹם = thirty days — the threshold after which a borrowed garment becomes obligated in tzitzit
Segment 2
TYPE: מעשה
A man who dishonored his parents is brought in to be flogged
Hebrew/Aramaic:
אַדְּהָכִי, אַיְיתוּהּ לְהָהוּא גַּבְרָא דְּלָא הֲוָה מוֹקַר אֲבוּהּ וְאִמֵּיהּ, כַּפְתוּהּ.
English Translation:
Meanwhile, as Rav Ḥisda and Rami bar Tamrei were talking, the attendants brought in a certain man to Rav Ḥisda’s court who would not honor his father and mother, and they tied him to a pillar in order to flog him.
קלאוד על הדף:
The scene shifts abruptly. While the two are speaking, court attendants bring in a man who failed to honor his father and mother and bind him to a pillar for flogging. The interruption is not a digression but the setting for Rami’s final and most impressive intervention, moving him from defendant to authority within the same conversation.
Key Terms:
- כַּפְתוּהּ = they bound him — the preparation for judicial flogging
- מוֹקַר אֲבוּהּ וְאִמֵּיהּ = honoring his father and mother, the positive mitzva at issue
Segment 3
TYPE: מעשה וברייתא
Rami stops the flogging by citing the rule about mitzvot with stated reward
Hebrew/Aramaic:
אֲמַר לְהוּ: שִׁבְקוּהּ, דְּתַנְיָא: כׇּל מִצְוַת עֲשֵׂה שֶׁמַּתַּן שְׂכָרָהּ בְּצִדָּהּ – אֵין בֵּית דִּין שֶׁלְּמַטָּה מוּזְהָרִין עָלֶיהָ. אֲמַר לֵיהּ חֲזֵינָא לָךְ דְּחָרִיפַתְּ טוּבָא. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אִי הֲוֵית בְּאַתְרֵיהּ דְּרַב יְהוּדָה, אַחְוִינָא לָךְ חוּרְפַּאי.
English Translation:
Rami bar Tamrei said to them: Leave him alone, as it is taught in a baraita: With regard to any positive mitzva whose reward is stated alongside it in the Torah, the earthly court below is not warned to enforce it through punishments such as flogging. And it is stated after the mitzva of honoring one’s father and mother: “That your days may be long, and that it go well with you” (Deuteronomy 5:16). Rav Ḥisda said to Rami bar Tamrei: I see that you are very sharp. Rami bar Tamrei said to Rav Ḥisda: If you were in the place where Rav Yehuda resides, I would be able to show you my sharpness of mind far better than here.
קלאוד על הדף:
Rami intervenes with a baraita: a court below is not charged with enforcing any positive mitzva whose reward is stated alongside it in the Torah. Honoring parents carries exactly such a reward — that your days may be long and that it go well with you — so its enforcement belongs to Heaven, not to the beit din. Rav Chisda concedes that Rami is exceptionally sharp, and Rami’s parting line, that in Rav Yehuda’s place he could show his sharpness far better, retroactively recasts the entire interrogation as a demonstration that the customs of Pumbedita rest on learning rather than laxity.
Key Terms:
- מַתַּן שְׂכָרָהּ בְּצִדָּהּ = whose reward is stated alongside it — the category of mitzvot the earthly court does not enforce
- בֵּית דִּין שֶׁלְּמַטָּה = the court below, as opposed to the heavenly court
- חֲזֵינָא לָךְ דְּחָרִיפַתְּ טוּבָא = I see that you are very sharp — Rav Chisda’s concession
Segment 4
TYPE: מעשה ובעיא
Abaye sends Rav Safra to ask about liver in Eretz Yisrael
Hebrew/Aramaic:
אֲמַר לֵיהּ אַבָּיֵי לְרַב סָפְרָא: כִּי סָלְקַתְּ לְהָתָם, בְּעִי מִינַּיְיהוּ: כַּבְדָּא, מָה אַתּוּן בֵּיהּ? כִּי סְלֵיק, אַשְׁכְּחֵיהּ לְרַב זְרִיקָא. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אֲנָא שְׁלַקִי לֵיהּ לְרַבִּי אַמֵּי, וַאֲכַל.
English Translation:
§ Pursuant to the discussion of different local customs, Abaye said to Rav Safra: When you ascend there, to Eretz Yisrael, ask the Sages there: With regard to liver, how do you treat it? When Rav Safra ascended to Eretz Yisrael he found Rav Zerika and asked him this question. Rav Zerika said to him: I cooked liver for Rabbi Ami and he ate it.
קלאוד על הדף:
Following on the theme of divergent local practice, Abaye commissions Rav Safra to ask the Sages of Eretz Yisrael how they treat liver. The concern is that liver is saturated with blood and might transfer it to other food. Rav Safra put the question to Rav Zerika, who answered from practice: he had cooked liver for Rabbi Ami, and Rabbi Ami ate it. Sending a traveling scholar to carry a question across academies is itself a recurring mechanism of Talmudic transmission.
Key Terms:
- כַּבְדָּא = liver, which is saturated with blood
- שְׁלַקִי = I cooked, boiled — the practice from which Rav Zerika answers
Segment 5
TYPE: תירוץ
Abaye clarifies: his question was whether liver forbids what is cooked with it
Hebrew/Aramaic:
כִּי אֲתָא לְגַבֵּיהּ, אֲמַר לֵיהּ: לְמֵיסַר נַפְשַׁהּ – לָא קָא מִיבַּעְיָא לִי, כִּי קָמִבַּעְיָא לִי – לְמֵיסַר חֲבִירְתַּהּ.
English Translation:
When Rav Safra returned to Babylonia and came before Abaye and reported what Rav Zerika had said, Abaye said to him: I do not raise the dilemma as to whether liver renders itself prohibited if cooked alone. It is clear to me that the blood that diffuses out of the liver is not absorbed again while it cooks. When I raise the dilemma, it is with regard to whether liver renders prohibited another piece of meat cooked with it. Rav Zerika’s statement therefore has no bearing on my question.
קלאוד על הדף:
On Rav Safra’s return, Abaye explains that the answer missed his question. Whether liver forbids itself was never in doubt — the blood diffuses outward and is not reabsorbed. His dilemma concerned whether liver renders prohibited another piece of meat cooked alongside it. Rav Zerika’s report, describing liver cooked and eaten on its own, does not touch the case. The exchange illustrates how a question can be answered accurately and still be unanswered.
Key Terms:
- לְמֵיסַר נַפְשַׁהּ = to forbid itself — whether the liver is rendered prohibited by its own blood
- לְמֵיסַר חֲבִירְתַּהּ = to forbid its companion — whether it prohibits other meat cooked with it
Segment 6
TYPE: קושיא ותירוץ
The mishna in Terumot seems to answer both halves; Abaye limits it to forbidden liver
Hebrew/Aramaic:
מַאי שְׁנָא לְמֵיסַר נַפְשַׁהּ דְּלָא מִיבַּעְיָא לָךְ – דִּתְנַן: אֵינָהּ נֶאֱסֶרֶת, לְמֵיסַר חֲבִירְתַּהּ נָמֵי לָא תִּבְּעֵי לָךְ! דִּתְנַן: הַכָּבֵד אוֹסֶרֶת וְאֵינָהּ נֶאֱסֶרֶת, מִפְּנֵי שֶׁהִיא פּוֹלֶטֶת וְאֵינָהּ בּוֹלַעַת. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: דִּילְמָא הָתָם בְּכַבְדָּא דְּאִיסּוּרָא,
English Translation:
Rav Safra asked Abaye: What is different about the issue of the liver rendering itself prohibited, that you did not raise the dilemma with regard to this case? It is presumably because the answer is obvious to you, as we learned in a mishna: liver is not rendered prohibited by its own cooking. But if so, you should not raise the dilemma with regard to whether it renders the other piece of meat prohibited either, as we learned in that same mishna: Liver renders food cooked with it in the same pot prohibited but is not prohibited itself, because while it does expel blood as it cooks, it does not absorb this blood again, since the blood diffuses only outward. Abaye said to Rav Safra: That mishna does not answer my question, as perhaps there it is referring specifically to forbidden liver, e.g., the liver of a non-kosher animal.
קלאוד על הדף:
Rav Safra objects that the mishna Abaye relies on for the first half answers the second as well: liver forbids but is not forbidden, because it expels and does not absorb. If that settles the matter, Abaye’s dilemma should never have arisen. Abaye replies that the mishna may be speaking specifically of liver that is itself forbidden — from a non-kosher animal — where the prohibition comes from the liver’s own substance rather than from its blood, and nothing follows about permitted liver. The daf closes on that restriction, the discussion continuing on 111a.
Key Terms:
- פּוֹלֶטֶת וְאֵינָהּ בּוֹלַעַת = it expels and does not absorb — the physical premise explaining why liver is not itself forbidden
- כַּבְדָּא דְּאִיסּוּרָא = forbidden liver — liver of a non-kosher animal, prohibited in its own substance