Bechorot Daf 24 (בכורות דף כ״ד)
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Amud Aleph (24a)
Segment 1
TYPE: קושיא (המשך)
Why did Rav also need to rule specifically like Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam?
Hebrew/Aramaic:
הֲלָכָה כְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי בֶּן הַמְשׁוּלָּם לְמָה לִי?
English Translation:
why do I need him to state that the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam?
קלאוד על הדף:
This completes the question that broke off at the end of 23b. Rav was quoted as saying that the halakha follows the mishnayot of the whole chapter except where there is a dispute, and the Gemara has just concluded that his ruling refers to Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel. If so, his separate statement that the halakha follows Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam (in the mishna on 24b) seems redundant, since that mishna is undisputed and already covered by the general rule.
Key Terms:
- הֲלָכָה כְּ = the halakha is in accordance with
- לְמָה לִי = why do I need it? — a challenge that a statement is superfluous
Segment 2
TYPE: תירוץ
Without the explicit ruling, we might have read Rav’s general rule as referring to Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam alone
Hebrew/Aramaic:
אִי אָמַר הִלְכְתָא דְּכוּלֵּיהּ פִּירְקִין, וְלָא אָמַר הִלְכְתָא כְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי בֶּן הַמְשׁוּלָּם, הֲוָה אָמֵינָא: אַדְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי בֶּן הַמְשׁוּלָּם קָאֵי, וּמַאי ״בְּכוּלֵּיהּ פִּירְקִין״? דְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי תַּרְתֵּי אָמַר, וּפְלוּגְתָּא דְּבָרַיְיתָא פְּלוּגְתָּא הִיא.
English Translation:
The Gemara explains: Had Rav said only that the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of the anonymous tanna in the mishnayot throughout the whole chapter, but did not say explicitly that the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam, I would say: Rav is referring specifically to the opinion of Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam. And what is the meaning of the phrase: Throughout the whole chapter, which indicates he is speaking of more than one case? This is referring to the fact that Rabbi Yosei said two separate statements in the chapter. And this would indicate with regard to Rav’s statement that if a mishna is contradicted by a dissenting opinion cited in a baraita, that is considered a dispute.
קלאוד על הדף:
The Gemara answers that each statement prevents a misreading of the other. Had Rav made only the general statement, one could have attached it to Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam, explaining the plural ‘whole chapter’ by the fact that he makes two rulings in the chapter (clearing hair for slaughter and plucking to inspect a blemish). On that reading, Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel would be excluded, because a baraita disagreeing with a mishna would count as a dispute.
Key Terms:
- הִלְכְתָא דְּכוּלֵּיהּ פִּירְקִין = the halakha follows the whole chapter
- קָאֵי = refers to, stands on
- תַּרְתֵּי = two — here, two rulings
- פְּלוּגְתָּא דְּבָרַיְיתָא = a dissent recorded in a baraita
Segment 3
TYPE: תירוץ (המשך)
The explicit ruling frees the general rule to refer to Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel
Hebrew/Aramaic:
אַשְׁמְעִינַן הֲלָכָה כְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי — לְאַשְׁמוֹעִינַן דְּאַדְּרַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל קָאֵי, וּפְלוּגְתָּא דְּבָרַיְיתָא לָאו פְּלוּגְתָּא הִיא.
English Translation:
Rav taught that the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei in order to teach us that his statement with regard to the whole chapter is referring to the opinion of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel, and with regard to Rav’s statement, if a mishna is contradicted by a dissenting opinion cited in a baraita, that is not considered a dispute.
קלאוד על הדף:
Since Rav ruled on Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam separately, his general statement must refer to someone else, namely Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel. That in turn teaches the methodological point the Gemara reached on 23b: a dissent preserved only in a baraita does not count as a dispute against an anonymous mishna. Rav’s two statements together therefore convey two distinct rulings.
Key Terms:
- אַשְׁמְעִינַן = he taught us
- לָאו פְּלוּגְתָּא הִיא = it is not considered a dispute
Segment 4
TYPE: ברייתא
The baraita: the Rabbis worry that a nursing animal may be nursing another’s young; Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel does not
Hebrew/Aramaic:
מַאי בָּרַיְיתָא? דְּתַנְיָא: הַלּוֹקֵחַ בְּהֵמָה מְנִיקָה מִן הַגּוֹי, הַבָּא אַחֲרָיו בְּכוֹר מִסָּפֵק, מִפְּנֵי שֶׁמְּרַחֶמֶת אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁאֵינָהּ יוֹלֶדֶת. רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אוֹמֵר: דָּבָר בְּחֶזְקָתוֹ.
English Translation:
What is the baraita mentioned previously? As it is taught in a baraita: In the case of one who purchases a nursing female animal from a gentile, the young that is born after the offspring currently being nursed is treated as a firstborn due to the uncertainty whether it is the animal’s offspring, because an animal might be merciful and nurse another animal even though it has not given birth at all. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: The matter stands in its presumptive status, i.e., the nursing animal is assumed to be the mother of the nursing offspring.
קלאוד על הדף:
The Gemara now quotes the baraita that disagrees with the mishna. The anonymous tanna holds that an animal can be merciful and nurse young that is not its own even without having given birth, so a nursing animal bought from a gentile may not yet have given birth, and its next offspring is a doubtful firstborn. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel holds that the matter stays in its presumptive status: the young it nurses is its own, and its next offspring is not a firstborn.
Key Terms:
- מְנִיקָה = nursing
- בְּכוֹר מִסָּפֵק = a doubtful firstborn
- מְרַחֶמֶת = shows mercy — here, adopts and nurses a young animal
- דָּבָר בְּחֶזְקָתוֹ = the matter stands in its presumptive status
Segment 5
TYPE: ברייתא (המשך)
Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel: in a flock, each mother is presumed to nurse its own young
Hebrew/Aramaic:
וְכֵן הָיָה רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אוֹמֵר: הַנִּכְנָס לְתוֹךְ עֶדְרוֹ בַּלַּיְלָה וְרָאָה כְּעֶשֶׂר כַּחֲמֵשׁ עֶשְׂרֵה, מַבְכִּירוֹת וְשֶׁאֵינָן מַבְכִּירוֹת, יוֹלְדוֹת, לְמָחָר הִשְׁכִּים וּמָצָא זְכָרִים (תְּלוּיוֹת) [תְּלוּיִין] בְּשֶׁאֵין מַבְכִּירוֹת, וּנְקֵבוֹת תְּלוּיוֹת בְּמַבְכִּירוֹת — אֵינוֹ חוֹשֵׁשׁ שֶׁמָּא בְּנָהּ שֶׁל זוֹ בָּא לוֹ אֵצֶל זוֹ.
English Translation:
The baraita continues: And similarly, Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel would say: One who enters amid his flock at night and sees about ten or about fifteen animals, some of whose offspring is a firstborn and others whose offspring is not a firstborn, and all were giving birth, and on the next day he arose and found that the male young were nursing from the mothers whose offspring is not a firstborn, and the female young were nursing from the mothers whose offspring is a firstborn, he does not need to be concerned that perhaps the young of this mother came to nurse from that mother. Rather, he may assume that each animal is nursing its own offspring.
קלאוד על הדף:
The baraita continues with a parallel ruling of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel. If an owner saw many animals giving birth at night, some for the first time and some not, and in the morning found the males nursing from the non-firstborn mothers and the females from the first-time mothers, he need not suspect that the young switched mothers. The practical result is lenient: every male is the second offspring of its mother, so none is a firstborn.
Key Terms:
- עֶדְרוֹ = his flock
- מַבְכִּירוֹת = animals giving birth for the first time
- תְּלוּיִין = hanging on — nursing from
- אֵינוֹ חוֹשֵׁשׁ = he need not be concerned
Segment 6
TYPE: בעיא
What exactly does Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel’s presumption mean?
Hebrew/Aramaic:
אִיבַּעְיָא לְהוּ: דָּבָר בְּחֶזְקָתוֹ דְּקָאָמַר רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל, דְּאֵינָהּ מְרַחֶמֶת אֶלָּא אִם כֵּן יוֹלֶדֶת — הָא הֵיכָא דְּאוֹלִיד חָיְישִׁינַן לְרַחוֹמֵי, אוֹ דִלְמָא: דִּידַהּ מְרַחֲמָא, דְּלָא דִּידַהּ לָא מְרַחֲמָא לֵיהּ?
English Translation:
A dilemma was raised before the Sages: What is the precise meaning of the phrase: The matter stands in its presumptive status, which Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel stated? Does this mean that an animal does not show mercy unless it has given birth, and consequently, in a case where the animal has given birth we are concerned for the possibility that it might be merciful and nurse an offspring that is not its own? Or perhaps it means that an animal might be merciful only toward its own offspring, but it does not show mercy to an animal that is not its own?
קלאוד על הדף:
The Gemara asks what Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel’s ‘presumptive status’ means. One option is that an animal is merciful only if it has itself given birth, but once it has given birth it may nurse another’s young. The other is that an animal nurses only its own young and never adopts a stranger. Both readings yield the same result for the firstborn question, so the Gemara will have to find a different practical difference.
Key Terms:
- אִיבַּעְיָא לְהוּ = a dilemma was raised before them
- יוֹלֶדֶת = an animal that has given birth
- דִּידַהּ = its own
Segment 7
TYPE: שאלה ותשובה
The practical difference: flogging for slaughtering a mother and its young on one day
Hebrew/Aramaic:
לְמַאי נָפְקָא מִינַּהּ? לְמִלְקֵא עֲלַהּ מִשּׁוּם ״אוֹתוֹ וְאֶת בְּנוֹ״. אִי אָמְרַתְּ דִּידַהּ מְרַחֲמָא, דְּלָא דִּידַהּ לָא מְרַחֲמָא — לָקֵי, וְאִי אָמְרַתְּ דְּלָא דִּידַהּ נָמֵי מְרַחֲמָא — לָא לָקֵי.
English Translation:
The Gemara asks: What difference is there in practice based on this distinction? Either way the nursing animal is assumed to have given birth and its future offspring will not be considered a firstborn. The Gemara answers that there is a difference with regard to whether or not one is flogged for slaughtering it due to violating the prohibition against slaughtering a mother and its offspring on the same day. If you say an animal is merciful only toward its own offspring but is not merciful toward an animal that is not its own, then one is flogged if he deliberately slaughters an animal and the offspring that it is nursing. But if you say it is also merciful toward an animal that is not its own, then one is not flogged in such a case.
קלאוד על הדף:
The difference is the prohibition of ‘it and its young’ (Leviticus 22:28), which forbids slaughtering a mother and its offspring on the same day. If an animal nurses only its own young, the nursing pair is certainly mother and offspring, and one who slaughters both on one day is flogged. If an animal that has given birth may also nurse a stranger, the relationship is only doubtful, and there is no flogging for a doubtful transgression.
Key Terms:
- לְמַאי נָפְקָא מִינַּהּ = what is the practical difference?
- לְמִלְקֵא = to be flogged — lashes for a Torah prohibition
- אוֹתוֹ וְאֶת בְּנוֹ = it and its young — the prohibition against slaughtering an animal and its offspring on one day
Segment 8
TYPE: ראיה ודחייה
A proof from the mishna’s wording is rejected: it says ‘was’, not ‘is’
Hebrew/Aramaic:
מַאי? תָּא שְׁמַע, רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אוֹמֵר: הַלּוֹקֵחַ בְּהֵמָה מִן הַגּוֹי — אֵינוֹ חוֹשֵׁשׁ שֶׁמָּא בְּנָהּ שֶׁל אַחֶרֶת הָיָה. מִי קָתָנֵי ״הוּא״? ״הָיָה״ קָתָנֵי! הָכִי קָאָמַר: אֵינוֹ חוֹשֵׁשׁ שֶׁמָּא בְּנָהּ שֶׁל אַחֶרֶת, אֶלָּא אִם כֵּן הָיָה לָהּ וָלָד מֵעִיקָּרָא.
English Translation:
The Gemara returns to its initial inquiry. What is the precise meaning of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel’s statement? Come and hear a proof from the mishna, as Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: In the case of one who purchases a nursing female animal from a gentile, he does not need to be concerned lest the offspring currently being nursed was the offspring of another animal. Evidently, Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel holds that an animal nurses only its own offspring. The Gemara rejects this proof: Does the mishna teach that one does not need to be concerned that perhaps it is the offspring of another animal? No, it teaches that one does not need to be concerned that perhaps it was the offspring of another animal, and this is what it is saying: Whichever way you look at it, the next offspring is not a firstborn, as one does not need to be concerned that perhaps it was the offspring of another animal that it is nursing, as it would not nurse unless it already had an offspring initially.
קלאוד על הדף:
The Gemara tries to prove from the mishna that Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel holds an animal nurses only its own young. It rejects the proof on the precise wording: the mishna says one need not worry that the young ‘was’ another’s, not that it ‘is’. The point is that either way the mother has already given birth, since she would not be nursing unless she ‘had’ a young of her own at the start, and so her next offspring is not a firstborn.
Key Terms:
- תָּא שְׁמַע = come and hear — introduces a proof
- מִי קָתָנֵי = does it teach?
- הָיָה = was
- מֵעִיקָּרָא = at the outset, previously
Segment 9
TYPE: ראיה
A second proof: in the flock, there is no worry that the young switched mothers
Hebrew/Aramaic:
תָּא שְׁמַע: נִכְנַס בְּתוֹךְ עֶדְרוֹ וְרָאָה אֶת הַמַּבְכִּירוֹת מְנִיקוֹת, וְאֶת שֶׁאֵינָן מַבְכִּירוֹת מְנִיקוֹת — אֵינוֹ חוֹשֵׁשׁ שֶׁמָּא בְּנָהּ שֶׁל זוֹ בָּא לוֹ אֵצֶל זוֹ, אוֹ שֶׁמָּא בְּנָהּ שֶׁל זוֹ בָּא לוֹ אֵצֶל זוֹ.
English Translation:
The Gemara suggests: Come and hear a proof from the continuation of the mishna: In the case of one who enters amid his flock and sees mother animals that gave birth for the first time that were nursing, and also sees mother animals that gave birth not for the first time that were also nursing, he does not need to be concerned that perhaps the offspring of this animal came to that animal to be nursed, or that perhaps the offspring of that animal came to this animal to be nursed.
קלאוד על הדף:
The Gemara now cites the next clause, the case of the owner who enters his flock and sees first-time and experienced mothers all nursing. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel rules that one need not suspect the young have switched. This seems to show that a mother which has given birth still nurses only its own young.
Key Terms:
- נִכְנַס בְּתוֹךְ עֶדְרוֹ = he entered amid his flock
- שֶׁאֵינָן מַבְכִּירוֹת = animals that have already given birth before
Segment 10
TYPE: דחייה
When its own young is present, a mother does not abandon it to nurse another
Hebrew/Aramaic:
אַמַּאי? לֵיחוּשׁ דִּלְמָא רַחוֹמֵי רַחֵים! בִּמְקוֹם דִּידַהּ, לָא שָׁבְקָא דִּידַהּ וּמְרַחֲמָא דְּלָא דִּידַהּ.
English Translation:
The Gemara explains the proof: But why not? Let us be concerned that perhaps the nursing animal is merciful toward an offspring that is not its own. Evidently, Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel holds that an animal nurses only its own offspring, even if it had previously given birth. The Gemara rejects this proof: Even if an animal does show mercy toward offspring that is not its own, in a place where it has its own offspring, it does not set aside its own offspring and show mercy toward offspring that is not its own.
קלאוד על הדף:
The proof is rejected. Even if a mother that has given birth can adopt a stranger, it does not do so when its own young is right there. In the flock case every mother has its own newborn present, so there is no reason to suspect an exchange, and the case says nothing about a mother whose own young is absent.
Key Terms:
- אַמַּאי = why?
- לֵיחוּשׁ = let us be concerned
- בִּמְקוֹם דִּידַהּ = where its own [young] is present
- לָא שָׁבְקָא = it does not abandon
Segment 11
TYPE: ראיה
A third proof: ‘and similarly’ links the purchase case to the flock case
Hebrew/Aramaic:
תָּא שְׁמַע: דָּבָר בְּחֶזְקָתוֹ כּוּ׳. מַאי לָאו רֵישָׁא דּוּמְיָא דְּסֵיפָא? מָה סֵיפָא וַדַּאי דִּידַהּ, אַף רֵישָׁא וַדַּאי דִּידַהּ.
English Translation:
The Gemara further suggests: Come and hear a proof from Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel’s statement in the baraita: If one purchases a nursing animal from a gentile, the matter stands in its presumptive status. From the phrase: And similarly, in the continuation of the baraita, the Gemara infers: What, is it not so that the first clause is similar to the latter clause? Just as in the latter clause the nursing young is certainly considered to be the nursing animal’s own offspring, so too, in the first clause it is certainly considered to be the nursing animal’s own offspring, despite the fact that the animal mother might have given birth previously.
קלאוד על הדף:
The Gemara tries again, from the baraita’s phrase ‘and similarly’. If the purchase case is similar to the flock case, then just as in the flock each young is certainly its mother’s own, so in the purchase case the nursing young would be the animal’s own. That would show that Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel holds that an animal nurses only its own young, even after giving birth.
Key Terms:
- רֵישָׁא = the first clause
- סֵיפָא = the latter clause
- דּוּמְיָא = similar to
- וַדַּאי = certainly
Segment 12
TYPE: דחייה
The two clauses differ; ‘and similarly’ refers only to the exemption from the firstborn
Hebrew/Aramaic:
מִידֵּי אִירְיָא? הַאי כִּדְאִיתֵאּ, וְהַאי כִּדְאִיתֵאּ. וּמַאי ״וְכֵן״? אַפְּטוּרָה דִּבְכוֹרָה.
English Translation:
The Gemara rejects this suggestion: Are the cases comparable? This first clause of the baraita stands as it is and that second clause of the baraita stands as it is, i.e., they are referring to different cases. In the second clause, where all the offspring are standing before their mothers, it is certain that each mother will nurse only its own child. Conversely, in the first clause it is uncertain whether that child is its own. But if so, what is the meaning of the phrase: And similarly? It means both clauses state that the nursing animal is exempt from having its future offspring counted a firstborn, since even if that offspring is not the mother’s, the mother would not nurse it unless it had previously given birth.
קלאוד על הדף:
The Gemara rejects the comparison. Each clause stands on its own terms: in the flock, with all the young present, each mother certainly nurses its own, but in the purchase case the young may not be hers. The word ‘similarly’ only means that both cases share the same ruling, that the mother’s next offspring is exempt from firstborn status. The dilemma therefore remains open for now.
Key Terms:
- מִידֵּי אִירְיָא = are the cases comparable? — rejecting a comparison
- הַאי כִּדְאִיתֵאּ = this one as it is — each case stands alone
- פְּטוּרָה דִּבְכוֹרָה = exemption from the firstborn
Segment 13
TYPE: מימרא
Rabbi Yochanan: a pig-like creature trailing a ewe; the ewe is exempt, the creature forbidden until Elijah comes
Hebrew/Aramaic:
אָמַר רַבָּה בַּר בַּר חָנָה אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: רָאָה חֲזִיר שֶׁכָּרוּךְ אַחַר רָחֵל, פְּטוּרָה מִן הַבְּכוֹרָה, וְאָסוּר בַּאֲכִילָה ״עַד יָבֹא וְיוֹרֶה צֶדֶק לָכֶם״.
English Translation:
The Gemara analyzes a similar case. Rabba bar bar Ḥana says that Rabbi Yoḥanan says: If one saw a young animal resembling a pig that was trailing after a ewe, the ewe is exempt from having its future offspring counted a firstborn. And the pig-like animal is forbidden for consumption “until he comes and instructs righteousness to you” (Hosea 10:12), i.e., until Elijah the prophet arrives and determines the halakha.
קלאוד על הדף:
Rabba bar bar Chana reports a ruling of Rabbi Yochanan. A creature that looks like a pig was seen following a ewe as if it were her young. The ewe is exempt from the firstborn, presumably because she has given birth, yet the creature may not be eaten ‘until he comes and instructs righteousness to you’ (Hosea 10:12), meaning until Elijah resolves the question. The ruling looks internally inconsistent, and the Gemara will analyze it.
Key Terms:
- כָּרוּךְ אַחַר = trailing after, attached to
- רָחֵל = a ewe
- פְּטוּרָה מִן הַבְּכוֹרָה = exempt from the firstborn — her next offspring is not a firstborn
- עַד יָבֹא וְיוֹרֶה צֶדֶק לָכֶם = until he comes and instructs righteousness to you — until Elijah decides
Segment 14
TYPE: קושיא
The ruling seems to follow Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel and the Rabbis at once
Hebrew/Aramaic:
פָּטוּר מִן הַבְּכוֹרָה — כְּמַאן? כְּרַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל, וְאָסוּר בַּאֲכִילָה — כְּרַבָּנַן.
English Translation:
The Gemara raises a difficulty with regard to Rabba bar bar Ḥana’s statement: On the one hand, the ewe is exempt from having its future offspring counted a firstborn, which is in accordance with the opinion of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel that an animal that nurses from another is presumed to be its offspring. But on the other hand, the pig-like animal is forbidden for consumption, which is in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis that an animal might nurse the young of another.
קלאוד על הדף:
The first half, exempting the ewe, assumes with Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel that a nursing animal is presumed to be the mother. The second half, forbidding the creature, worries with the Rabbis that the ewe may be nursing a stranger, in which case the creature could truly be a pig. A single ruling cannot follow both positions.
Key Terms:
- כְּמַאן = in accordance with whom?
- רַבָּנַן = the Rabbis — here, the anonymous tanna of the baraita
Segment 15
TYPE: קושיא (המשך)
If it followed the Rabbis, the doubt would be factual, and Elijah would not be needed
Hebrew/Aramaic:
וְתוּ, אִי כְּרַבָּנַן, מַאי ״עַד יָבֹא וְיוֹרֶה צֶדֶק לָכֶם״? ״עַד שֶׁיִּוָּדַע לְךָ דָּבָר״ מִיבְּעֵי לֵיהּ!
English Translation:
And furthermore, if the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis, and there is a concern with regard to the identity of the mother of the offspring, what is the reason for citing the verse: “Until he comes and instructs righteousness to you”? By citing it, the baraita is indicating that the status of the pig-like animal is a halakhic uncertainty that can be resolved only by Elijah the prophet. Instead, it should have stated: Until the matter becomes known to you, in reference to the empirical uncertainty as to whether the pig-like animal is the offspring of the ewe.
קלאוד על הדף:
There is a second problem. If the concern is the Rabbis’ one, it is a factual doubt about who the creature’s mother is, so the ruling should have said ‘until the matter becomes known to you’. The verse about Elijah implies a doubt in halakha, something only a prophet’s ruling could settle.
Key Terms:
- וְתוּ = and furthermore
- עַד שֶׁיִּוָּדַע לְךָ דָּבָר = until the matter becomes known to you — a factual doubt
- מִיבְּעֵי לֵיהּ = he should have said
Segment 16
TYPE: קושיא (המשך)
Rabbi Yochanan has no doubt about the halakha: it follows Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel except in three cases
Hebrew/Aramaic:
וְכִי תֵּימָא: מְסַפְּקָא לֵיהּ אִי הֲלָכָה כְּרַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אִי כְּרַבָּנַן, אִי מְסַפְּקָא לֵיהּ — אַמַּאי פְּטוּרָה מִן הַבְּכוֹרָה? וְתוּ: מִי מְסַפְּקָא לֵיהּ? וְהָאָמַר רַבָּה בַּר בַּר חָנָה אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: כׇּל מָקוֹם שֶׁשָּׁנָה רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל בְּמִשְׁנָתֵינוּ — הֲלָכָה כְּמוֹתוֹ, חוּץ מֵעָרֵב, וְצַיְדָן, וּרְאָיָה אַחֲרוֹנָה!
English Translation:
And if you would say that it is uncertain whether the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel or in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis, that cannot be correct: If that matter is uncertain, then why is the ewe exempt from having its future offspring counted a firstborn? And furthermore, is this question of whose opinion is accepted as the halakha an uncertainty at all? But doesn’t Rabba bar bar Ḥana say that Rabbi Yoḥanan says: Wherever Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel taught a halakha in the corpus of our Mishna the halakha is in accordance with his opinion, except for the following three cases: The responsibility of the guarantor (see Bava Batra 174a), and the incident that occurred in the city of Tzaidan (see Gittin 74a), and the dispute with regard to evidence in the final disagreement (see Sanhedrin 31a)?
קלאוד על הדף:
One might suggest the doubt is halakhic, whether the law follows Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel or the Rabbis. That fails twice. If it were doubtful, the ewe should not be exempt from the firstborn. And Rabbi Yochanan himself holds a fixed rule that the halakha follows Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel wherever he appears in the Mishna, except for three cases: the guarantor, the incident in Tzaidan and the final evidence.
Key Terms:
- וְכִי תֵּימָא = and if you would say
- מְסַפְּקָא לֵיהּ = he is uncertain
- עָרֵב = guarantor — Bava Batra 174a
- צַיְדָן = Tzaidan — the incident in Gittin 74a
- רְאָיָה אַחֲרוֹנָה = final evidence — Sanhedrin 31a
Segment 17
TYPE: תירוץ ודחייה
The doubt is what Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel holds; but then the case should have been a lamb
Hebrew/Aramaic:
לְעוֹלָם פְּשִׁיטָא לֵיהּ הֲלָכָה כְּרַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל, מִיהוּ מְסַפְּקָא לֵיהּ אִי סָבַר רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל יוֹלֶדֶת מְרַחֶמֶת, אוֹ אֵינָהּ מְרַחֶמֶת. אִי הָכִי, עַד דְּאַשְׁמְעִינַן חֲזִיר, לַישְׁמְעִינַן טָלֶה, וּלְמִילְקֵי עֲלֵיהּ מִשּׁוּם ״אוֹתוֹ וְאֶת בְּנוֹ״!
English Translation:
The Gemara answers: Actually, it is obvious to Rabba bar bar Ḥana that the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel. But it is uncertain if Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel holds that an animal that has given birth might be merciful toward offspring that is not its own, or if he holds that it is not merciful toward the offspring of another. The Gemara rejects this claim: If that is so, instead of teaching a case involving an animal with the appearance of a pig, he should have taught the more common case of a mother ewe nursing a baby lamb. And accordingly, rather than inquiring with regard to the prohibition against eating a non-kosher animal, he should have inquired as to whether or not one is flogged for it due to violating the prohibition against slaughtering a mother and its offspring on the same day.
קלאוד על הדף:
The Gemara answers that the halakha clearly follows Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel, but it is unclear what his view is: whether a mother that has given birth can adopt another’s young. This is the dilemma raised earlier on the daf. The Gemara objects: if that is the question, the natural case is a ewe nursing a lamb, and the practical issue would be flogging for ‘it and its young’, not a strange pig-like creature.
Key Terms:
- לְעוֹלָם = actually, in truth
- פְּשִׁיטָא לֵיהּ = it is obvious to him
- עַד דְּאַשְׁמְעִינַן = rather than teaching us
- טָלֶה = a lamb
Segment 18
TYPE: תירוץ
The pig case adds that adoption may extend even to another species
Hebrew/Aramaic:
חֲזִיר אִיצְטְרִיכָא לֵיהּ, דְּאִי אַשְׁמְעִינַן טָלֶה, הֲוָה אָמֵינָא: אִם תִּמְצָא לוֹמַר דְּסָבַר יוֹלֶדֶת מְרַחֲמָא — דְּמִינַהּ, דְּלָא מִינַהּ — לָא. אַשְׁמְעִינַן חֲזִיר, דִּמְרַחֶמֶת, וַאֲפִילּוּ דְּלָאו מִינַהּ נָמֵי, דְּאִיכָּא לְמֵימַר דִּלְמָא מְרַחֲמָא.
English Translation:
The Gemara explains: It was necessary for Rabba bar bar Ḥana to teach the case of a pig, as, had he taught a case involving a lamb, I would say: Even if you say that Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel holds that an animal that has given birth might be merciful toward the offspring of another, this is so only with regard to its own species, but with regard to an animal that is not of its own species, it would not show mercy and would not nurse the offspring. Therefore, Rabba bar bar Ḥana teaches us the case of a pig, to convey that an animal might be merciful, and this is also true even where the offspring is not of its own species, as it could be said that perhaps the animal was merciful in such a case as well.
קלאוד על הדף:
The pig case teaches more than a lamb case would. From a lamb one could conclude only that a mother adopts young of its own species. The pig case shows that, if Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel holds a mother that has given birth can adopt, she might adopt even a creature of another species. So the doubt is real and halakhic, and the creature is forbidden until Elijah comes.
Key Terms:
- אִיצְטְרִיכָא לֵיהּ = it was necessary for him
- אִם תִּמְצָא לוֹמַר = if you will say
- דְּמִינַהּ = of its own species
- דְּלָא מִינַהּ = not of its own species
Segment 19
TYPE: מימרא
This matches a dilemma Rabbi Yochanan reported
Hebrew/Aramaic:
וְהַיְינוּ דְּאָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: בָּעֵי
English Translation:
And this is the meaning of that which Rabba bar bar Ḥana said that Rabbi Yoḥanan said: A dilemma was raised
קלאוד על הדף:
The Gemara links this reading to a dilemma Rabbi Yochanan reported in the name of Achai beribbi, which continues on the next amud. The daf breaks off in mid-sentence.
Key Terms:
- וְהַיְינוּ = and this is the meaning of
- בָּעֵי = raised a dilemma
Amud Bet (24b)
Segment 1
TYPE: בעיא
Achai beribbi’s dilemma: a pig-like creature trailing a ewe; what is the halakha?
Hebrew/Aramaic:
אַחַאי בְּרִיבִּי: רָאָה חֲזִיר שֶׁכָּרוּךְ אַחַר רָחֵל, מַהוּ? מַאי קָמִיבַּעְיָא לֵיהּ? אִילֵּימָא לִבְכוֹרָה, וְקָמִיבַּעְיָא לֵיהּ אִי הִלְכְתָא כְּרַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אִי הִלְכְתָא כְּרַבָּנַן, תִּיבְּעֵי לֵיהּ טָלֶה!
English Translation:
by Aḥai the Distinguished [beribbi]: If one saw an animal with the appearance of a pig that was trailing after a ewe, what is the halakha? The Gemara asks: What is the dilemma he is raising? If we say he is inquiring with regard to the firstborn status of the future offspring, and he is therefore essentially asking if the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel or if the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis, then let the dilemma be raised with respect to the more common case of a lamb, rather than the irregular case of a pig-like animal.
קלאוד על הדף:
The sentence from 24a continues: Achai beribbi asked about a pig-like creature trailing a ewe. The Gemara asks what exactly he was unsure about. If the question was the firstborn status, that is the general dispute between Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel and the Rabbis, and it could have been asked about an ordinary lamb.
Key Terms:
- אַחַאי בְּרִיבִּי = Achai beribbi — a title of distinction
- מַאי קָמִיבַּעְיָא לֵיהּ = what is his dilemma?
- תִּיבְּעֵי לֵיהּ טָלֶה = let him ask about a lamb
Segment 2
TYPE: תירוץ
He asked two questions: firstborn according to the Rabbis, eating according to Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel
Hebrew/Aramaic:
כִּי קָמִיבַּעְיָא לֵיהּ, לִבְכוֹרָה וְאַלִּיבָּא דְּרַבָּנַן, לַאֲכִילָה וְאַלִּיבָּא דְּרַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל.
English Translation:
The Gemara answers: Actually, when Aḥai the Distinguished raised the dilemma it was with respect to the ramifications of each opinion: He inquired with regard to the future offspring’s firstborn status, and this aspect of the dilemma was raised under the assumption that the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis. He also inquired with regard to whether or not the pig-like animal is permitted for consumption, and this aspect of the dilemma was raised under the assumption that the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel.
קלאוד על הדף:
The Gemara answers that Achai beribbi asked two separate questions. Each assumes a different halakhic position and is a real question only within that view. The firstborn question assumes the Rabbis’ view, and the eating question assumes Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel’s.
Key Terms:
- אַלִּיבָּא דְּ = according to the view of
- לַאֲכִילָה = regarding eating
Segment 3
TYPE: בעיא
Firstborn, by the Rabbis: does a mother adopt young of another species?
Hebrew/Aramaic:
לִבְכוֹרָה, וַאֲפִילּוּ לְרַבָּנַן דְאָמְרִי מְרַחֲמָא, כִּי מְרַחֲמָא דְּמִינַהּ, דְּלָא מִינַהּ — לָא, אוֹ דִלְמָא דְּלָא מִינַהּ נָמֵי מְרַחֲמָא?
English Translation:
The Gemara elaborates: He inquired with regard to the offspring’s firstborn status, and this question applies even according to the opinion of the Rabbis, who say that an animal might be merciful toward other young animals. The Gemara explains the dilemma: One can say that when an animal is merciful this applies only toward an animal that is of its own species, but to a young animal that is not of its own species a mother animal certainly does not show mercy. Therefore, the fact that it nursed proves that it is its offspring. Or perhaps an animal might also be merciful toward an offspring that is not of its own species. If it is merciful only to its own species, the ewe is exempt from having its future offspring counted a firstborn; if its mercy extends to other species then it is not exempt.
קלאוד על הדף:
Even the Rabbis, who hold that a mother may adopt a stranger, may limit this to its own species. If so, a ewe nursing a pig-like creature must have given birth to it, and her next offspring is exempt from the firstborn. If the adoption can extend to another species, nursing proves nothing, and her next offspring remains a doubtful firstborn.
Key Terms:
- וַאֲפִילּוּ לְרַבָּנַן = even according to the Rabbis
- אוֹ דִלְמָא = or perhaps
Segment 4
TYPE: בעיא ותיקו
Eating, by Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel: the same question; it remains unresolved
Hebrew/Aramaic:
לַאֲכִילָה, וַאֲפִילּוּ לְרַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל — אִם תִּמְצָא לוֹמַר סָבַר: יוֹלֶדֶת מְרַחֲמָא דְּמִינַהּ, דְּלָאו מִינַהּ — לָא; אוֹ דִלְמָא: דְּלָאו מִינַהּ נָמֵי מְרַחֲמָא? תֵּיקוּ.
English Translation:
And Aḥai the Distinguished also inquired with regard to whether the pig-like animal is permitted for consumption, and this question applies even according to the opinion of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel: If you say he holds that an animal that has given birth might be merciful and nurse another mother’s offspring, perhaps that is so only with regard to an animal that is of its own species, but to an animal that is not of its own species it is not merciful, which means the pig-like animal is kosher. Or perhaps a mother might also be merciful toward an offspring that is not of its own species, in which case the pig-like animal might not be kosher and therefore may not be eaten. After explaining the dilemma of Aḥai the Distinguished, the Gemara concludes: The dilemma shall stand unresolved.
קלאוד על הדף:
Even if Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel holds that a mother that has given birth can adopt, this may apply only to its own species. In that case the creature is truly the ewe’s offspring and may be eaten despite its appearance. If the adoption extends to other species, the creature may be a real pig and is forbidden. The dilemma is left as תיקו, which explains why Rabbi Yochanan forbade the creature ‘until Elijah comes’.
Key Terms:
- תֵּיקוּ = let it stand — the question remains unresolved
- מְרַחֲמָא = shows mercy, adopts
Segment 5
TYPE: משנה
Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam: plucking hair to clear the slaughter site, or to show a blemish
Hebrew/Aramaic:
מַתְנִי׳ רַבִּי יוֹסֵי בֶּן הַמְשׁוּלָּם אוֹמֵר: הַשּׁוֹחֵט אֶת הַבְּכוֹר, עוֹשֶׂה מָקוֹם בְּקוֹפִיץ מִיכָּן וּמִיכָּן, וְתוֹלֵשׁ אֶת הַשֵּׂעָר, וּבִלְבַד שֶׁלֹּא יְזִיזֶנּוּ מִמְּקוֹמוֹ, וְכֵן תּוֹלֵשׁ אֶת הַשֵּׂעָר לִרְאוֹת מְקוֹם מוּם.
English Translation:
MISHNA: Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam says: Since it is prohibited by Torah law to shear a firstborn, as it states: “And you shall not shear the firstborn of your flock” (Deuteronomy 15:19), one who is slaughtering a firstborn, and must clear hair or wool from the area of the neck in order to facilitate proper slaughter, clears space by uprooting the hair with a cleaver [bekofitz] from here and from there, on either side of the neck, although he thereby plucks out the hair. He may clear space in this manner provided that he does not move the plucked hair from its place; it must remain intermingled with the rest of the hair so it will appear that he did not shear the animal. And likewise, one plucks the hair to enable one of the Sages to examine the place of a blemish and thereby determine whether it is permitted to slaughter the firstborn outside the Temple.
קלאוד על הדף:
The new mishna deals with the prohibition of shearing a firstborn (Deuteronomy 15:19). Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam permits clearing the place of slaughter by pulling out hair with a cleaver on either side, as long as the plucked hair is left in place among the rest, so that it does not look like shearing. Similarly, one may pluck hair so that a Sage can see a blemish hidden under the wool. This is the mishna Rav ruled on, discussed at the beginning of the daf.
Key Terms:
- מַתְנִי׳ = mishna
- קוֹפִיץ = a cleaver, butcher’s knife
- תּוֹלֵשׁ = plucks, pulls out
- שֶׁלֹּא יְזִיזֶנּוּ מִמְּקוֹמוֹ = that he not move it from its place
- מְקוֹם מוּם = the place of a blemish
Segment 6
TYPE: גמרא ובעיא
Rav rules like Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam; does it apply to slaughter on Yom Tov?
Hebrew/Aramaic:
גְּמָ׳ אָמַר רַב: הֲלָכָה כְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי בֶּן הַמְשׁוּלָּם. בְּעוֹ מִינֵּיהּ מֵרַב הוּנָא: כְּנֶגְדּוֹ בְּיוֹם טוֹב מַהוּ? טַעְמָא דְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי בֶּן הַמְשׁוּלָּם מִשּׁוּם דְּקָסָבַר תּוֹלֵשׁ לָאו הַיְינוּ גּוֹזֵז, וּבְיוֹם טוֹב אָסוּר, דְּהָוֵה לֵיהּ עוֹקֵר דָּבָר מִגִּידּוּלוֹ.
English Translation:
GEMARA: Rav says: The halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam. The Sages raised a dilemma before Rav Huna: What is the halakha in the parallel case of one who wishes to slaughter a non-sacred animal on a Festival? The resolution depends on the reason for the ruling of Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam: Does he permit clearing hair with a cleaver because he holds that plucking is not the same as shearing, and as opposed to plucking the hair of a firstborn, it is prohibited to pluck hair on the Festival, as this is considered uprooting an item from its place of growth?
קלאוד על הדף:
Rav rules in favor of Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam. Rav Huna is then asked about slaughtering an ordinary animal on Yom Tov: may one clear the hair in the same way? It depends on Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam’s reasoning. If he permits it because plucking is not shearing, that helps only for the firstborn, while on Yom Tov plucking is still forbidden as uprooting something from where it grows.
Key Terms:
- גְּמָ׳ = Gemara
- כְּנֶגְדּוֹ בְּיוֹם טוֹב = the parallel case on Yom Tov
- גּוֹזֵז = shearing
- עוֹקֵר דָּבָר מִגִּידּוּלוֹ = uprooting something from where it grows — a forbidden labor
Segment 7
TYPE: בעיא (המשך)
Or is plucking shearing, permitted only because it is unintended?
Hebrew/Aramaic:
אוֹ דִלְמָא בְּעָלְמָא סָבַר רַבִּי יוֹסֵי בֶּן הַמְשׁוּלָּם תּוֹלֵשׁ הַיְינוּ גּוֹזֵז, וְהַיְינוּ טַעְמָא דִּשְׁרֵי, דְּהָוֵה לֵיהּ דָּבָר שֶׁאֵין מִתְכַּוֵּין, וּבְיוֹם טוֹב דָּבָר שֶׁאֵין מִתְכַּוֵּין מוּתָּר?
English Translation:
Or perhaps in general Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam holds that plucking is considered a form of shearing. And this is the reason that it is permitted to clear space with a cleaver in the case of the firstborn, as it is an unintentional act, i.e., an action performed for a permitted purpose from which a prohibited labor may inadvertently ensue, since he does not intend to pluck out the hair; and on a Festival an unintentional act is permitted.
קלאוד על הדף:
Alternatively, Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam may hold that plucking is a form of shearing, and permits it only because the slaughterer does not intend to remove hair, making it an unintended act (דבר שאין מתכוין). On that reasoning the leniency carries over to Yom Tov, where an unintended act is also permitted.
Key Terms:
- אוֹ דִלְמָא = or perhaps
- דָּבָר שֶׁאֵין מִתְכַּוֵּין = an unintended act — a permitted act that might incidentally cause a forbidden result
- מוּתָּר = permitted
Segment 8
TYPE: מעשה ופשיטה
Rav Chananel confirms Rav’s ruling; Rav Huna permits it on Yom Tov
Hebrew/Aramaic:
אֲמַר לְהוּ: זִילוּ שַׁיְילוּהּ לְרַב חֲנַנְאֵל, אִי אָמַר הֲלָכָה כְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי בֶּן הַמְשׁוּלָּם, אֶיפְשׁוֹט לְכוּ. אֲתוֹ שַׁיְילוּהּ, אֲמַר לְהוּ: הָכִי אָמַר רַב: הֲלָכָה כְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי בֶּן הַמְשׁוּלָּם. אֲתוֹ לְקַמֵּיהּ דְּרַב הוּנָא, אֲמַר לְהוּ: כְּנֶגְדּוֹ בְּיוֹם טוֹב מוּתָּר. אִיתְּמַר נָמֵי, אָמַר רַב חֲנַנְיָה בַּר שֶׁלֶמְיָא מִשְּׁמֵיהּ דְּרַב: כְּנֶגְדּוֹ בְּיוֹם טוֹב
English Translation:
Rav Huna said to them: Go and ask Rav’s disciple, Rav Ḥananel, and if Rav in fact said the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam, I will explain to you the resolution of your dilemma. They went and asked Rav Ḥananel, and he said to them that this is what Rav says: The halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam. They came before Rav Huna, and he said to them: In the parallel case of one who wishes to slaughter a non-sacred animal on a Festival, it is permitted to pluck the hair in order to facilitate proper slaughter. It was also stated that Rav Ḥananya bar Shelamya says in the name of Rav: In the parallel case of one who wishes to slaughter a non-sacred animal on a Festival,
קלאוד על הדף:
Rav Huna first wants to confirm that Rav really ruled like Rabbi Yosei ben HaMeshullam, and sends the questioners to Rav’s student Rav Chananel, who confirms it. Rav Huna then rules that clearing the hair on Yom Tov is permitted, which means he takes Rav’s ruling to rest on the unintended-act reasoning, since that reasoning also covers Yom Tov. A parallel report from Rav Chananya bar Shelamya in Rav’s name begins and continues on daf 25.
Key Terms:
- זִילוּ שַׁיְילוּהּ = go and ask him
- אֶיפְשׁוֹט לְכוּ = I will resolve it for you
- אִיתְּמַר נָמֵי = it was also stated