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Bechorot Daf 16 (בכורות דף ט״ז)

Daf: 16 | Amudim: 16a – 16b | Date: Loading...


📖 Breakdown

Amud Aleph (16a)

Segment 1

TYPE: גמרא

Completing 15b: the seifa’s ‘klalo shel davar’ adds the prohibition of milk

Hebrew/Aramaic:

לְאֵתוֹיֵי חֲלָבוֹ.

English Translation:

serves to include its milk in the prohibition, i.e., it is prohibited to consume milk of disqualified consecrated animals that were redeemed.

קלאוד על הדף:

This finishes the sentence broken off at the end of 15b. The reisha’s general principle (‘like chullin in every respect’) added that slaughtering outside is exempt. The seifa’s principle (‘like hekdesh in every respect, except that they may be eaten’) adds that the milk of a redeemed animal consecrated before its blemish remains forbidden. This matches the baraita on 15a, where ‘meat’ was read as excluding milk.

Key Terms:

  • לְאֵתוֹיֵי = to include / to add
  • חֲלָבוֹ = its milk (not to be confused with חֶלְבּוֹ, its forbidden fat)

Segment 2

TYPE: דיוק

Inferences from the baraita: blemished offspring can be redeemed; dedication to the same offering is allowed

Hebrew/Aramaic:

אָמַר מָר: אֵין נִפְדִּין תְּמִימִין, וְאֵין מַתְפִּיסָן לְכׇל זֶבַח שֶׁיִּרְצֶה. תְּמִימִים הוּא דְּלָא מִיפַּרְקִי, הָא בַּעֲלֵי מוּמִין — מִיפַּרְקִי. לְכׇל שֶׁיִּרְצֶה הוּא דְּאֵין מַתְפִּיסָן, הָא לְאוֹתוֹ זֶבַח — מַתְפִּיסָן.

English Translation:

The Gemara analyzes the baraita. The Master said above: With regard to disqualified sacrificial animals whose consecration preceded their blemish, their offspring are sacred and may not be redeemed while they are unblemished, and one may not dedicate them as any offering he desires. The Gemara infers: It is only unblemished offspring that one may not redeem, which indicates that one may redeem blemished offspring. Likewise, it is only for any offering he desires that he may not dedicate the offspring, but for the same offering as the mother, one may dedicate the offspring.

קלאוד על הדף:

The Gemara reads the baraita’s seifa closely. ‘They are not redeemed unblemished’ implies that blemished offspring are redeemed. ‘They are not dedicated to any offering one wishes’ implies that they can be dedicated to the mother’s own offering. Each inference seems to teach something about what can be done with these offspring.

Key Terms:

  • אָמַר מָר = the master said — quoting the baraita for analysis
  • מִיפַּרְקִי = they are redeemed
  • לְאוֹתוֹ זֶבַח = to the same offering as the mother

Segment 3

TYPE: קושיא

The case fitting both inferences: dedicated to the same offering, then redeemed when blemished — a refutation of Rav Huna?

Hebrew/Aramaic:

הֵיכִי מַשְׁכַּחַתְּ לַהּ? דְּמַתְפִּיסָן לְאוֹתוֹ זֶבַח, וְנִפְדִּין בְּמוּמָן. נֵימָא תֶּיהְוֵי תְּיוּבְתָּא דְּרַב הוּנָא?

English Translation:

The Gemara asks: How can you find a situation that includes both of these inferences? They apply in a case where one dedicates the unborn offspring as the same offering for which its mother was consecrated, and it may then be redeemed after having developed a blemish. The Gemara remarks: Shall we say that this is a conclusive refutation of the opinion of Rav Huna, who maintains that the offspring cannot be redeemed and rules that one must leave them to die?

קלאוד על הדף:

Both inferences fit one scenario. The fetus was dedicated to its mother’s offering before her redemption, as Rabbi Chanina advised on 15b, and was later redeemed once it developed a blemish. If an offspring of this kind can be redeemed when blemished, that contradicts Rav Huna. He held on 15b that offspring born after the mother’s redemption can be neither offered nor redeemed and are left to die.

Key Terms:

  • הֵיכִי מַשְׁכַּחַתְּ לַהּ = how can you find it? — seeking a case that fits
  • תְּיוּבְתָּא = a conclusive refutation
  • רַב הוּנָא = Rav Huna, a second-generation Babylonian amora, head of the academy in Sura

Segment 4

TYPE: תירוץ

Rav Huna: the seifa’s wording only mirrors the reisha; no inference may be drawn

Hebrew/Aramaic:

אָמַר לְךָ רַב הוּנָא: הוּא הַדִּין דַּאֲפִילּוּ בַּעֲלֵי מוּמִין אֵין נִפְדִּין, וְאַיְּידֵי דִּתְנָא רֵישָׁא ״נִפְדִּין תְּמִימִים״ — תְּנָא נָמֵי סֵיפָא ״אֵין נִפְדִּין תְּמִימִים״, וְאַיְּידֵי דִּתְנָא רֵישָׁא ״לְכׇל זֶבַח שֶׁיִּרְצֶה״ — תְּנָא נָמֵי סֵיפָא ״לְכׇל זֶבַח שֶׁיִּרְצֶה״.

English Translation:

Rav Huna could have said to you: The inferences upon which the refutation is based are false. Just as these unblemished offspring cannot be redeemed, the same is true with regard to blemished animals, as even blemished offspring cannot be redeemed. And since the former clause taught the phrase: They may be redeemed unblemished, the latter clause also taught the phrase: They may not be redeemed unblemished. And since the former clause taught: As any offering he desires, the latter clause also taught: As any offering he desires. According to Rav Huna, no inferences can be made from these rulings of the baraita because they were phrased in this manner for the sake of symmetry between its two sections, rather than to teach a specific halakha.

קלאוד על הדף:

Rav Huna rejects both inferences. The seifa said ‘not redeemed unblemished’ and ‘not for any offering he wishes’ only because the reisha said ‘redeemed unblemished’ and ‘for any offering he wishes’; the tanna kept the two halves parallel. This is the Gemara’s familiar ‘aidi’ device: a phrase can be explained as matching its counterpart rather than as teaching something of its own.

Key Terms:

  • אַיְּידֵי = since — ‘since it taught X in the first clause, it taught Y in the second’
  • הוּא הַדִּין = the same law applies
  • רֵישָׁא / סֵיפָא = the first clause / the latter clause

Segment 5

TYPE: מימרא

Rav Huna reads ‘liable’ for slaughtering outside: dukin in the eye, following Rabbi Akiva

Hebrew/Aramaic:

וְהַשּׁוֹחֲטָן בַּחוּץ פָּטוּר. רַב הוּנָא מַתְנֵי חַיָּיב, וּמוֹקֵים לַהּ בְּדוּקִין שֶׁבְּעַיִן, וְאַלִּיבָּא דְּרַבִּי עֲקִיבָא דְּאָמַר: אִם עָלוּ לֹא יֵרְדוּ.

English Translation:

It is stated: And one who slaughters them outside the Temple courtyard is exempt from karet. The Gemara notes: Rav Huna taught this as: One who slaughters them outside the Temple courtyard is liable to receive karet, and he interprets it as referring to a case involving an animal with a minor blemish, such as on the cornea of the eye. And the mishna is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Akiva, who says: Although animals with a minor blemish may not be sacrificed ab initio, if they ascended the altar they shall not descend and are sacrificed. Since an animal with a minor blemish is potentially suitable for sacrifice, one who slaughters it outside the Temple courtyard is liable to receive karet.

קלאוד על הדף:

The baraita’s reisha exempted one who slaughters a blemish-first animal outside the courtyard. Rav Huna’s version reads ‘liable,’ and he explains it as a case where the blemish was a minor film on the eye (דוקין שבעין). Rabbi Akiva holds that such an animal, once placed on the altar, is not taken down. Since it is fit for the altar after the fact, slaughtering it outside is an offence.

Key Terms:

  • דּוּקִין שֶׁבְּעַיִן = a minor blemish on the cornea or white of the eye
  • אִם עָלוּ לֹא יֵרְדוּ = if they ascended the altar they do not descend
  • רַבִּי עֲקִיבָא = Rabbi Akiva ben Yosef, the leading tanna of the third generation
  • מַתְנֵי = teaches / reads the text as

Segment 6

TYPE: מימרא

Rav Nachman citing Rabba bar Avuh: a temura made after redemption must die

Hebrew/Aramaic:

בֵּין לִפְנֵי פִּדְיוֹנוֹ בֵּין לְאַחַר פִּדְיוֹנוֹ עוֹשֶׂה תְּמוּרָה. אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן אָמַר רַבָּה בַּר אֲבוּהּ: וּתְמוּרָתוֹ לְאַחַר פִּדְיוֹנוֹ מֵתָה. מַאי טַעְמָא? הֵיכִי לֶיעְבֵּיד? לַיקְרְבַיהּ — מִכֹּחַ קְדוּשָּׁה דְּחוּיָה קָאָתְיָא, לִיפְרְקַהּ — לָא אַלִּימָא לְמִיתְפַּס פִּדְיוֹנָהּ, הִלְכָּךְ מֵתָה.

English Translation:

The Gemara continues analyzing the baraita, which teaches: Whether before its redemption or after its redemption, an animal whose consecration preceded its blemish renders an animal that was a substitute for it sacred. Rav Naḥman says that Rabba bar Avuh says: And its substitute that was imbued with sanctity after its redemption must die. What is the reason? The Gemara explains: What are we to do? Shall we sacrifice it? It cannot be sacrificed, as it received its status from the deferred sanctity of the redeemed blemished animal and is therefore unfit for the altar. Shall we redeem it? It cannot be redeemed, as its sanctity is not strong enough to be transferable to the money for its redemption. Therefore, it must die.

קלאוד על הדף:

The baraita said a consecration-first animal makes a temura even after its redemption. Rav Nachman, citing Rabba bar Avuh, adds that such a temura is left to die. The reasoning is the same as Rav Huna’s on 15b. It cannot be offered because it came from sanctity already disqualified (קדושה דחויה), and it cannot be redeemed because that weak sanctity cannot pass onto money.

Key Terms:

  • רַב נַחְמָן = Rav Nachman bar Yaakov, a third-generation Babylonian amora, judge in Nehardea
  • רַבָּה בַּר אֲבוּהּ = Rabba bar Avuh, a second-generation Babylonian amora, teacher of Rav Nachman
  • מֵתָה = it dies — it is confined until it dies
  • הִלְכָּךְ = therefore

Segment 7

TYPE: קושיא

Rav Amram: let it be eaten in its blemish, like the temura of bechor and ma’aser

Hebrew/Aramaic:

מַתְקֵיף לַהּ רַב עַמְרָם: וְתִיתְּכִיל בְּמוּמָהּ לַבְּעָלִים! וְכִי מָה בֵּין זוֹ לִתְמוּרַת בְּכוֹר וּמַעֲשֵׂר? דִּתְנַן: תְּמוּרַת בְּכוֹר וּמַעֲשֵׂר, הֵן וּוְלָדָן וּוְלַד וְלָדָן עַד סוֹף כׇּל הָעוֹלָם — הֲרֵי הֵן כִּבְכוֹר וּמַעֲשֵׂר, וְיֵאָכְלוּ בְּמוּמָן לַבְּעָלִים!

English Translation:

Rav Amram objects to this: But let the substitute be eaten in its blemished state by the owners. After all, what is the difference between this substitute and the substitute of a firstborn or of an animal tithe offering, which may be eaten? The Gemara explains the question: As we learned in a mishna (Temura 21a): With regard to the substitute of a firstborn and of an animal tithe offering, both they, the substitutes themselves, and their offspring, and the offspring of their offspring, forever, i.e., for all future generations, are like the firstborn and the animal tithe offering, respectively, and therefore they are eaten in their blemished state by the owners. Why is the blemished substitute of a firstborn or an animal tithe permitted whereas the substitute of a disqualified consecrated animal remains forbidden?

קלאוד על הדף:

Rav Amram objects: the mishna in Temura (21a) rules that the substitute of a bechor or ma’aser, and all its descendants, are eaten by their owners once blemished, without redemption. Why should the temura of a redeemed pesul hamukdashin be treated more harshly than theirs?

Key Terms:

  • רַב עַמְרָם = Rav Amram, a Babylonian amora of the second-third generation
  • תִּיתְּכִיל = let it be eaten
  • עַד סוֹף כׇּל הָעוֹלָם = until the end of all time — every future generation
  • לַבְּעָלִים = by the owners

Segment 8

TYPE: תירוץ

Abaye: each temura bears its ‘mother’s’ name — bechor and ma’aser are eaten blemished, so their substitutes are too

Hebrew/Aramaic:

אֲמַר לֵיהּ אַבָּיֵי: זֶה שֵׁם אִמּוֹ עָלָיו וְזֶה שֵׁם אִמּוֹ עָלָיו, זֶה כּוּלּוֹ תְּמוּרַת בְּכוֹר וּמַעֲשֵׂר מִיקַּרְיָא, מָה בְּכוֹר וּמַעֲשֵׂר בְּמוּמָן מִיתְאַכְלָן לַבְּעָלִים, אַף תְּמוּרָתָן מִיתְאַכְלָא.

English Translation:

Abaye said to Rav Amram: This one bears its mother’s name and that one bears its mother’s name, i.e., each substitute is subject to the same halakha as the animal for which it was substituted. This animal is entirely called a substitute of a firstborn or an animal tithe offering: Just as a firstborn and an animal tithe offering are eaten in their blemished state by the owners, so too, their substitute is eaten even when it is blemished.

קלאוד על הדף:

Abaye answers that a temura takes on the status of the animal it was exchanged for (שם אמו עליו). A blemished bechor or ma’aser is eaten without any redemption, so its substitute is eaten the same way.

Key Terms:

  • שֵׁם אִמּוֹ עָלָיו = its mother’s name is upon it — it takes the status of its source
  • מִיקַּרְיָא = it is called

Segment 9

TYPE: תירוץ

Ordinary kodashim are eaten only through redemption — and this temura cannot be redeemed

Hebrew/Aramaic:

וְזֶה שֵׁם אִמּוֹ עָלָיו, תְּמוּרַת קָדָשִׁים מִיקַּרְיָא, מָה קָדָשִׁים לָא מִיתַּכְלִי אֶלָּא בְּפִדְיוֹן — אַף תְּמוּרָתָן נָמֵי לָא מִיתַּכְלִי אֶלָּא בְּפִדְיוֹן, וְהָא לָא אַלִּימָא לְמִיתְפַּס פִּדְיוֹנַהּ.

English Translation:

And likewise, this substitute for a redeemed animal whose consecration preceded its blemish bears its mothers name, i.e., it is called the substitute of a sacrificial animal: Just as sacrificial animals are eaten only once they have been rendered permitted through redemption, so too, their substitutes are also eaten only through redemption. But the sanctity of this particular substitute is not strong enough to be transferable to money for its redemption, and therefore it cannot be redeemed. Consequently, it may not be eaten.

קלאוד על הדף:

The substitute of an ordinary sacrifice takes its status from an animal that may be eaten only after redemption. Redemption is exactly what this temura’s weak sanctity cannot undergo. So the path that permits its ‘mother’ is closed to it, and it cannot be eaten at all. The difference from bechor and ma’aser is that they never needed redemption in the first place.

Key Terms:

  • בְּפִדְיוֹן = through redemption
  • לָא אַלִּימָא = it is not strong enough
  • לְמִיתְפַּס פִּדְיוֹנַהּ = to have its redemption take hold, transferring its sanctity to money

Segment 10

TYPE: ברייתא

Support for Rav Nachman: ‘tamei’ in Vayikra 11:4 — a kosher-signed animal forbidden to eat

Hebrew/Aramaic:

תַּנְיָא כְּוָותֵיהּ דְּרַב נַחְמָן: מִנַּיִן לִתְמוּרַת פְּסוּלֵי הַמּוּקְדָּשִׁין שֶׁמֵּתָה? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר: ״מִמַּעֲלֵי הַגֵּרָה… טָמֵא״, הַאי מִיבְּעֵי לֵיהּ לְחָמֵשׁ חַטָּאוֹת מֵתוֹת! הָהוּא מִ״מַּפְרִיסֵי הַפַּרְסָה טָמֵא״ נָפְקָא.

English Translation:

The Gemara notes that it is taught in a baraita in accordance with the opinion of Rav Naḥman: From where is it derived with regard to the substitute of disqualified consecrated animals that it must die? It is derived from a verse, as the verse states: “Nevertheless, these you shall not eat, of them that only chew the cud, or of them that only have a split hoof…it is impure to you” (Leviticus 11:4). The extraneous phrase “impure to you” indicates that there exists an animal which possesses the signs of a kosher animal but is nevertheless prohibited in consumption, and that is the substitute of a disqualified consecrated animal. The Gemara raises an objection: But isn’t that extraneous phrase necessary for the halakha of the five sin offerings that are left to die, which may not be eaten? The Gemara answers: No; that halakha is derived from the phrase: “Of them that only have a split hoof…is impure.”

קלאוד על הדף:

A baraita finds the rule in the verse on animals that only chew the cud: the apparently extra ‘it is impure’ teaches that an animal with kosher signs can still be forbidden, namely the temura of pesulei hamukdashin. The objection that the verse is needed for the five sin offerings left to die is answered by assigning those to the parallel phrase about split hooves.

Key Terms:

  • מַעֲלֵי הַגֵּרָה = animals that chew the cud
  • מַפְרִיסֵי הַפַּרְסָה = animals with split hooves
  • חָמֵשׁ חַטָּאוֹת מֵתוֹת = the five sin offerings left to die: offspring of a chatat, temura of a chatat, a chatat whose owner died, one whose owner achieved atonement with another, and one that aged past its year

Segment 11

TYPE: ברייתא

Another baraita derives the five sin offerings from ‘split hoof’ — but they are a halacha l’Moshe; the verse must be for temurat asham

Hebrew/Aramaic:

תַּנְיָא נָמֵי הָכִי: מִנַּיִן לְחָמֵשׁ חַטָּאוֹת מֵתוֹת? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר: ״מִמַּפְרִיסֵי הַפַּרְסָה… טָמֵא״. חָמֵשׁ חַטָּאוֹת מֵתוֹת, הִילְכְתָא גְּמִירִי לַהּ, אֶלָּא כִּי אֲתָא קְרָא לִתְמוּרַת אָשָׁם.

English Translation:

The Gemara notes that this is also taught in a baraita: From where is it derived that there are five sin offerings that are left to die? The verse states: “Of them that have a split hoof…is impure to you,” which indicates that there is a second category of animals that possess the signs of a kosher animal, but that are nevertheless prohibited in consumption. The Gemara raises an objection: But isn’t the category of the five sin offerings that are left to die a halakha learned as a tradition, not from a verse? Rather, when that verse came, it came to teach that the substitute of a guilt offering may not be sacrificed and is left to graze until it develops a blemish.

קלאוד על הדף:

A second baraita confirms that ‘split hoof… impure’ refers to the five sin offerings. The Gemara objects that these are known by oral tradition (הלכתא גמירי לה) and need no verse, and suggests the verse teaches instead that a guilt offering’s substitute is not offered but grazes.

Key Terms:

  • הִילְכְתָא גְּמִירִי לַהּ = it is learned as a tradition (halacha l’Moshe miSinai)
  • תְּמוּרַת אָשָׁם = the substitute of a guilt offering
  • תַּנְיָא נָמֵי הָכִי = it was also taught thus

Segment 12

TYPE: קושיא

But temurat asham is also tradition: whatever dies for a chatat grazes for an asham

Hebrew/Aramaic:

תְּמוּרַת אָשָׁם נָמֵי הִילְכְתָא הִיא, כֹּל שֶׁבַּחַטָּאת מֵתָה — בָּאָשָׁם רוֹעֶה!

English Translation:

The Gemara raises a further objection: The halakha of a substitute for a guilt offering is also a halakha learned as a tradition, as stated in the principle: In any case where a sin offering is left to die, a guilt offering is left to graze. Since the substitute of a sin offering is left to die, it is established by tradition that the substitute of a guilt offering is left to graze, and therefore no verse is required to teach this halakha.

קלאוד על הדף:

That suggestion also fails, because the rule for a guilt offering’s substitute is itself part of the tradition. The rule is that whatever is left to die in the case of a chatat is left to graze in the case of an asham. So the verse still needs a subject.

Key Terms:

  • כֹּל שֶׁבַּחַטָּאת מֵתָה בָּאָשָׁם רוֹעֶה = whatever dies for a sin offering grazes for a guilt offering
  • רוֹעֶה = grazes — until blemished, then sold and the money used for a voluntary offering

Segment 13

TYPE: תירוץ

Resolution: both the verse and the tradition are needed — the tradition for ‘death’, the verse for a lav

Hebrew/Aramaic:

אֶלָּא, לְעוֹלָם חָמֵשׁ חַטָּאוֹת מֵתוֹת, וְאִצְטְרִיךְ קְרָא וְאִצְטְרִיךְ הִילְכְתָא, דְּאִי מִקְּרָא הֲוָה אָמֵינָא לִרְעִיָּיה, קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן הִילְכְתָא לְמִיתָה. וְאִי מֵהִילְכְתָא הֲוָה אָמֵינָא: הֵיכָא דַּעֲבַד אִיקְּרִי וַאֲכַל מֵהָנֵי חָמֵשׁ חַטָּאוֹת — אִיסּוּרָא אִיכָּא, לָאו לֵיכָּא, קָמַשְׁמַע לַן דְּאִיכָּא לָאו.

English Translation:

The Gemara answers: Rather, the verse is actually the source for a halakha that applies to the five sin offerings left to die. And both a verse is necessary and the halakha learned as a tradition is also necessary to determine the final course of action that one should take. The Gemara elaborates: If the concept of the five sin offerings had been derived from the verse alone, I would say that the five sin offerings are left to graze. Therefore, the halakha learned through tradition teaches us that they are left to die. And if this ruling were based only on the halakha learned as a tradition, I would say: In a case where one happened to eat from one of these five sin offerings, there is a prohibition that he violated, but not a negative mitzva, for which one is liable to receive lashes. The verse therefore teaches us that there is a negative mitzva here as well.

קלאוד על הדף:

The verse does refer to the five sin offerings, and both sources are needed. From the verse alone one might think these animals graze; the tradition teaches that they are left to die. From the tradition alone one might think eating them is a prohibition without lashes; the verse makes it a lav, punishable by lashes.

Key Terms:

  • אִצְטְרִיךְ = it is necessary
  • אִיקְּרִי וַאֲכַל = he happened to eat
  • אִיסּוּרָא = a prohibition, without the penalty of lashes
  • לָאו = a negative commandment punishable by lashes

Segment 14

TYPE: תירוץ אחר

Alternatively: a hekesh — what comes from ‘cud-chewers’ is compared to what comes from ‘split hooves’

Hebrew/Aramaic:

וְאִיבָּעֵית אֵימָא: לְאַקּוֹשֵׁי דָּבָר הַבָּא מִמַּעֲלֵי גֵּרָה לְדָבָר הַבָּא ״מִמַּפְרִיסֵי הַפַּרְסָה״, מָה לְהַלָּן בְּמִיתָה — אַף כָּאן בְּמִיתָה.

English Translation:

And if you wish, say instead that the halakha of the five sin offerings left to die is in fact a halakha learned as a tradition, and therefore no verse is required for its own sake. Rather, the verse: “Of them that have a split hoof,” serves to juxtapose an item that comes, i.e., that is derived, from the mention of animals who chew their cud, referring to the substitutes of disqualified consecrated animals, with an item that comes from animals who have a split hoof, referring to the five sin offerings: Just as there, the sin offerings are left to die, so too here, the substitutes are left to die.

קלאוד על הדף:

A second answer: the five sin offerings rest on tradition alone. The verse’s function is to link its two halves. The case derived from ‘chews the cud,’ the temura of pesulei hamukdashin, is compared to the case derived from ‘split hoof,’ the sin offerings left to die. As they die, so does it, which confirms Rav Nachman’s ruling.

Key Terms:

  • לְאַקּוֹשֵׁי = to compare through a hekesh
  • מָה לְהַלָּן… אַף כָּאן = just as there… so too here

Segment 15

TYPE: משנה

New mishna: one who receives ‘iron sheep’ from a gentile…

Hebrew/Aramaic:

מַתְנִי׳ הַמְקַבֵּל צֹאן בַּרְזֶל מִן הַגּוֹי —

English Translation:

MISHNA: With regard to one who receives animals as part of a guaranteed investment from a gentile, i.e., the Jew receives the animals to raise them and commits to pay a fixed price at a later date even if they die or their value decreases, and the offspring born in the interim are divided between the gentile and the Jew,

קלאוד על הדף:

A new mishna, still within the second perek, introduces tzon barzel (‘iron sheep’). A Jew takes a gentile’s flock to raise at a fixed guaranteed value; the principal is always owed to the gentile whatever happens to the animals, and the offspring are shared. The question is how the gentile’s claim affects the bechor obligation. The ruling follows on 16b.

Key Terms:

  • צֹאן בַּרְזֶל = ‘iron sheep’ — an investment whose principal value is guaranteed, as unbreakable as iron
  • הַמְקַבֵּל = one who receives / takes on
  • גּוֹי = a gentile — animals owned by a gentile are exempt from bechora

Amud Bet (16b)

Segment 1

TYPE: משנה

Offspring exempt, grandchildren obligated; one more generation if offspring were set in place of mothers; Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel: even ten

Hebrew/Aramaic:

וַלְדוֹתֵיהֶן פְּטוּרִין, וַלְדֵי וַלְדוֹתֵיהֶן חַיָּיבִין. הֶעֱמִיד וַלְדוֹתֵיהֶן תַּחַת אִמּוֹתֵיהֶן — וַלְדֵי וְלָדוֹת פְּטוּרִין, וּוַלְדֵי וַולְדֵי וְולָדוֹת חַיָּיבִים. רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אוֹמֵר: אֲפִילּוּ עַד עֲשָׂרָה פְּטוּרִים, שֶׁאַחְרָיוּתָן לַנׇּכְרִי.

English Translation:

their direct offspring are exempt from the mitzva of the firstborn if they give birth to a male, but the offspring of their direct offspring are obligated in the mitzva of the firstborn if they gave birth to a male. If the Jew established their offspring in place of their mothers for collection in case the mothers die, the offspring of their direct offspring are exempt and the offspring of the offspring of their direct offspring are obligated. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: Even until ten generations, the offspring are exempt, as they all serve as a guarantee for the gentile, because if he does not receive the fixed payment for the animal, he will collect his debt from any offspring born to it or its offspring.

קלאוד על הדף:

The direct offspring are exempt, because the gentile could seize them for his debt; the next generation is obligated. If the Jew formally designated the offspring as security in place of their mothers, the exemption extends one more generation. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel holds that every generation, even ten down, is exempt, since the gentile’s guarantee reaches all of them.

Key Terms:

  • הֶעֱמִיד… תַּחַת אִמּוֹתֵיהֶן = he set up the offspring in place of their mothers as security
  • אַחְרָיוּתָן = their liability / their being security for the debt
  • רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל = Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel II, Nasi in the fourth generation of tannaim

Segment 2

TYPE: משנה

A ewe that bore a goat-like animal, or a goat that bore a sheep-like one — exempt; with some signs — obligated

Hebrew/Aramaic:

רָחֵל שֶׁיָּלְדָה מִין עֵז, וְעֵז שֶׁיָּלְדָה מִין רָחֵל — פְּטוּרָה מִן הַבְּכוֹרָה, וְאִם יֵשׁ בּוֹ מִקְצָת סִימָנִין — חַיָּיב.

English Translation:

A ewe that gave birth to a goat of sorts and a goat that gave birth to a ewe of sorts are exempt from the mitzva of the firstborn. And if the offspring has some of the characteristics of its mother, it is obligated in the mitzva of firstborn.

קלאוד על הדף:

The mishna adds a separate law. The Torah’s firstborn of ‘a sheep’ or ‘a goat’ must be the same species as its mother. An offspring that looks like a different species is exempt, but if it has some of its mother’s features it is obligated.

Key Terms:

  • רָחֵל = a ewe
  • עֵז = a goat
  • מִקְצָת סִימָנִין = some of the identifying features of its mother’s species

Segment 3

TYPE: שאלה

Does this mean that, until the owner is paid, the flock remains in the owner’s possession?

Hebrew/Aramaic:

גְּמָ׳ לְמֵימְרָא, דְּכֵיוָן דְּלָא נָקֵט מָרָא זוּזֵי — בִּרְשׁוּתָא דְּמָרָא קָיְימָא?

English Translation:

GEMARA: The mishna teaches that animals given to a Jew as a guaranteed investment by a gentile are not subject to their offspring being counted a firstborn because they belong to the gentile. The Gemara suggests: Is this to say that since the owner did not yet take the money that will be owed to him, the investment itself stands in the owner’s possession, i.e., the owner is still regarded as such?

קלאוד על הדף:

The Gemara asks what the mishna implies. Exempting the offspring suggests that until the gentile has been paid, the animals are still legally his.

Key Terms:

  • לְמֵימְרָא = is this to say?
  • מָרָא = the owner
  • בִּרְשׁוּתָא = in the possession / ownership of

Segment 4

TYPE: קושיא

Contradiction: tzon barzel from a Jew is forbidden as ribbit — so the flock belongs to the recipient

Hebrew/Aramaic:

וּרְמִינְהוּ: אֵין מְקַבְּלִין צֹאן בַּרְזֶל מִיִּשְׂרָאֵל מִפְּנֵי שֶׁהוּא רִבִּית, אַלְמָא בִּרְשׁוּתָא דִּמְקַבֵּל קָיְימָא!

English Translation:

And the Gemara raises a contradiction to this conclusion from a mishna (Bava Metzia 70b): One may not accept from a Jew sheep to raise or other items to care for as a guaranteed investment, in which the terms of the transaction dictate that the one accepting the item takes upon himself complete responsibility to repay its value in the event of depreciation or loss, but receives only part of the profit. This is because it is a loan, as the principal is fixed and always returned to the owner, and any additional sum the owner receives is interest. The Gemara remarks: Evidently, the investment stands in the possession of the recipient, as otherwise it would not be considered a loan.

קלאוד על הדף:

The mishna in Bava Metzia (70b) forbids taking tzon barzel from a fellow Jew because it is ribbit (interest). That classification implies the recipient owns the flock and merely owes a fixed sum, like a borrower. The two mishnayot seem to assign ownership differently.

Key Terms:

  • וּרְמִינְהוּ = and they contrasted it — introducing a contradiction between sources
  • רִבִּית = interest, forbidden between Jews
  • אַלְמָא = evidently
  • מְקַבֵּל = the recipient

Segment 5

TYPE: תירוץ

Abaye: here the owner accepted risk of accident and depreciation; there he did not

Hebrew/Aramaic:

אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: לָא קַשְׁיָא, הָא דְּקַבֵּיל עֲלֵיהּ אוּנְסָא וְזוֹלָא, וְהָא דְּלָא קַבֵּיל עֲלֵיהּ אוּנְסָא וְזוֹלָא.

English Translation:

Abaye said: This is not difficult. This case, i.e., the mishna here, is where the gentile owner of the sheep accepts upon himself the responsibility for losses due to an accident or depreciation in the market value, and that is why the sheep are considered to still belong to him. And that case, the mishna in Bava Metzia, is where the owner did not accept upon himself responsibility for losses due to an accident or depreciation. Therefore, the guaranteed investment stands in the possession of the recipient.

קלאוד על הדף:

Abaye distinguishes the cases. Where the gentile owner bears the risk of accidents (אונסא) and falling prices (זולא), the flock is still his, so our mishna exempts it. In Bava Metzia the owner took on no risk, so the arrangement is a loan with interest.

Key Terms:

  • אוּנְסָא = loss through accident beyond one’s control
  • זוֹלָא = a fall in market value
  • קַבֵּיל עֲלֵיהּ = accepted upon himself

Segment 6

TYPE: קושיא

Rava: then it isn’t ‘iron sheep’ at all — and why state it without qualification?

Hebrew/Aramaic:

אֲמַר לֵיהּ רָבָא: דְּקַבֵּיל עֲלֵיהּ אוּנְסָא וְזוֹלָא, ״צֹאן בַּרְזֶל״ קָרֵית לֵיהּ? וְעוֹד, מַאי פַּסְקָא?

English Translation:

Rava said to Abaye: If the owner accepted upon himself responsibility for losses due to an accident or depreciation, can you call it a guaranteed investment? This case is not a guaranteed investment, as the owner is not guaranteed to receive what he had given; rather, it is a type of joint business venture that is permitted between two Jews. And furthermore, if the term: Guaranteed investment, can refer to two different kinds of investments, then why was it stated without qualification in both mishnayot?

קלאוד על הדף:

Rava objects twice. First, an arrangement in which the owner bears the risk is not ‘iron’ at all: it is a partnership, permitted even between Jews. Second, if the term covered two different arrangements, neither mishna could have used it without qualification (מאי פסקא).

Key Terms:

  • רָבָא = Rava, a fourth-generation Babylonian amora and Abaye’s colleague
  • מַאי פַּסְקָא = what is conclusive? — why state it without qualification?
  • קָרֵית לֵיהּ = do you call it

Segment 7

TYPE: קושיא

And the Bava Metzia mishna should have distinguished within the Jewish case itself

Hebrew/Aramaic:

וְעוֹד, אַדְּתָנֵי סֵיפָא אֲבָל מְקַבְּלִין צֹאן בַּרְזֶל מִן הַגּוֹי — לִיפְלוֹג וְלִיתְנֵי בְּדִידַהּ: בַּמֶּה דְּבָרִים אֲמוּרִים? דְּלָא קַבֵּיל עֲלֵיהּ אוּנְסָא וְזוֹלָא, אֲבָל קַבֵּיל עֲלֵיהּ אוּנְסָא וְזוֹלָא — שַׁפִּיר דָּמֵי!

English Translation:

Rava continued: And furthermore, even if one grants that this arrangement can be called a guaranteed investment, there is another difficulty. Instead of the tanna teaching in the latter clause of the mishna in Bava Metzia: But one may accept a guaranteed investment from gentiles, let the tanna distinguish and teach within the case itself, that of accepting a guaranteed investment from a Jew. He should have taught: In what case is this statement, i.e., that one may not accept from a Jew sheep to raise or other items to care for as a guaranteed investment, said? It is in a case when the owner did not accept upon himself responsibility for losses due to an accident or depreciation, but if the owner accepted upon himself responsibility for losses due to an accident or depreciation, one may well enter into such an arrangement.

קלאוד על הדף:

Third, if Abaye were right, the mishna in Bava Metzia should have drawn the distinction within its own case. It would have said that tzon barzel from a Jew is forbidden only when the owner bears no risk. Instead it moves to a different case, a gentile, and that shows the term has only one meaning.

Key Terms:

  • אַדְּתָנֵי = instead of teaching
  • לִיפְלוֹג וְלִיתְנֵי בְּדִידַהּ = let it distinguish and teach within the case itself
  • בַּמֶּה דְּבָרִים אֲמוּרִים = in what case are these words said?
  • שַׁפִּיר דָּמֵי = it is entirely permitted

Segment 8

TYPE: תירוץ

Rava: in both the owner bears no risk; the exemption is ‘yad akum ba’emtza’

Hebrew/Aramaic:

אֶלָּא אָמַר רָבָא: אִידֵּי וְאִידֵּי דְּלָא קַבֵּיל עֲלֵיהּ אוּנְסָא וְזוֹלָא, וְהָכָא גַּבֵּי בְּכוֹרָה הַיְינוּ טַעְמָא, דְּאִילּוּ אָתֵי גּוֹי בָּעֵי זוּזֵי וְלָא יָהֵיב לֵיהּ — תָּפֵיס לַהּ לִבְהֵמָה, וְאִי לָא מַשְׁכַּח לַהּ לִבְהֵמָה — תָּפֵיס וְלָדוֹת דִּידַהּ, וַהֲרֵי יַד גּוֹי בָּאֶמְצַע, וְכֹל יַד גּוֹי בָּאֶמְצַע — פְּטוּרָה מִן הַבְּכוֹרָה.

English Translation:

Rather, Rava rejected this explanation and said: Both this case in the mishna here and that case in Bava Metzia are discussing a situation where the owner did not accept upon himself responsibility for losses due to an accident or depreciation. And here, with regard to the firstborn, this is the reason that the offspring are exempt from the halakhot of a firstborn: Since, if the gentile comes and wants his money, and the Jew does not give it to him, the gentile will seize the animal, and if he does not find the animal he will seize the offspring, this means that the hand of a gentile is in the middle, i.e., even though the animals stand in the possession of the recipient, the gentile has some degree of ownership over the bodies of the offspring. And there is a halakha: In every case where the hand of a gentile is in the middle, the animal is exempt from the halakhot of a firstborn.

קלאוד על הדף:

Rava’s own answer is that in both mishnayot the flock belongs to the recipient. The offspring are still exempt from bechora because the gentile, if unpaid, will seize the animal or, failing that, its young. The gentile’s claim of repayment from the animal’s body puts ‘a gentile’s hand in the middle,’ and any such involvement exempts from bechora.

Key Terms:

  • יַד גּוֹי בָּאֶמְצַע = a gentile’s hand is in the middle — he has some claim on the animal
  • תָּפֵיס = he seizes
  • אִידֵּי וְאִידֵּי = both this and that

Segment 9

TYPE: מחלוקת

When offspring were not set in place of the mothers: Rav Huna — one generation exempt; Rav Yehuda — two

Hebrew/Aramaic:

הֶעֱמִיד וַלְדוֹתֵיהֶן תַּחַת אִמּוֹתֵיהֶן — וַלְדֵי וְלָדוֹת פְּטוּרִים. אָמַר רַב הוּנָא: וְלָדוֹת פְּטוּרִין, וַולְדֵי (ולדותיהן) [וְלָדוֹת] חַיָּיבִין. וְרַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר: וַלְדֵי וְלָדוֹת נָמֵי פְּטוּרִין, וַולְדֵי וַלְדֵי וְלָדוֹת חַיָּיבִין.

English Translation:

§ The mishna teaches: If the Jew established their offspring in place of their mothers for collection in case the mothers die, the offspring of their direct offspring are exempt. The Gemara cites a dispute with regard to animals involved in a guaranteed investment, in a case where the Jew did not establish their offspring in the place of their mothers. Rav Huna says: Their direct offspring are exempt, but the offspring of their direct offspring are obligated. And Rav Yehuda says: The offspring of their direct offspring are also exempt, and the offspring of the offspring of their direct offspring are obligated.

קלאוד על הדף:

The mishna’s clause about setting the offspring in place of the mothers leads to an amoraic dispute about the case where he did not. Rav Huna exempts only the direct offspring. Rav Yehuda exempts the grandchildren as well, and obligates only the third generation.

Key Terms:

  • רַב יְהוּדָה = Rav Yehuda bar Yechezkel, a second-generation Babylonian amora, founder of the Pumbedita academy
  • וַלְדֵי וְלָדוֹת = offspring of the offspring — the second generation

Segment 10

TYPE: קושיא

Objection to Rav Yehuda: the mishna exempts the grandchildren only when he set them in place of the mothers

Hebrew/Aramaic:

תְּנַן: הֶעֱמִיד וְלָדוֹת תַּחַת אִמּוֹתֵיהֶן — וַלְדֵי וְלָדוֹת פְּטוּרִין. טַעְמָא דְּהֶעֱמִיד, הָא לֹא הֶעֱמִיד — לָא. תְּיוּבְתָּא דְרַב יְהוּדָה!

English Translation:

The Gemara raises an objection to the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda. We learned in the mishna: If the Jew established their offspring in place of their mothers for collection in case the mothers die, the offspring of their direct offspring are exempt. The Gemara infers: The reason they are exempt is that he established the offspring in place of their mothers; but if he did not establish them in place of their mothers, they are not exempt. This is apparently a conclusive refutation of the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda.

קלאוד על הדף:

The mishna tied the grandchildren’s exemption to setting the offspring in place of their mothers. By implication, without that step the grandchildren are obligated, which fits Rav Huna and refutes Rav Yehuda. (The English translation says ‘Rabbi Yehuda’ here; the amora meant is Rav Yehuda.)

Key Terms:

  • תְּנַן = we learned in the mishna
  • טַעְמָא דְּ… = the reason is that… — an inference from the stated condition

Segment 11

TYPE: תירוץ

Rav Yehuda: the same is true without designation; the mishna teaches that even with it, no more than two generations

Hebrew/Aramaic:

אָמַר לָךְ רַב יְהוּדָה: הוּא הַדִּין, אַף עַל גַּב דְּלֹא הֶעֱמִיד, וְהָא קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן: אֲפִילּוּ הֶעֱמִיד נָמֵי.

English Translation:

The Gemara answers that Rav Yehuda could have said to you: That inference is incorrect, as the same is true even though he did not establish the offspring in place of their mothers. In that case as well, the offspring of their offspring are exempt. And this is what the mishna is teaching us by stating the halakha in that manner: Even if he established the offspring in place of the mother, only the first two generations of offspring are exempt, but not all successive generations.

קלאוד על הדף:

Rav Yehuda answers that the grandchildren are exempt either way. The mishna mentioned the designation to set a limit: even when the offspring were pledged in place of their mothers, the exemption still stops after two generations.

Key Terms:

  • אַף עַל גַּב = even though
  • אֲפִילּוּ הֶעֱמִיד נָמֵי = even if he did set them up

Segment 12

TYPE: גמרא

Why that needed saying: one might think a gentile ordinarily seizes descendants of every generation

Hebrew/Aramaic:

דְּאוֹרְחֵיהּ דְּגוֹי לְמִיתְפַּס בְּנָהּ, וְהָוֵי כְּמִי דְּלֹא הֶעֱמִיד — וַלְדֵי וְלָדוֹת פְּטוּרִין, וַולְדֵי וַלְדֵי וְלָדוֹת חַיָּיבִין.

English Translation:

And it is necessary to teach this halakha that although he established the offspring in place of their mothers all successive generations are not exempt, as one might think that it is the normal manner of the gentile to seize not only the direct offspring, but her young of any generation as payment, which would mean that all successive generations are exempt. And therefore the mishna teaches that he is like one who did not establish the offspring in place of the mother, which means that the offspring of the direct offspring are exempt, but the offspring of the offspring of the direct offspring are obligated.

קלאוד על הדף:

The Gemara explains why the limit needs stating. One might have assumed that a designation, together with the gentile’s habit of seizing any young, would exempt every later generation. The mishna teaches that it is treated like no designation: two generations exempt, the third obligated.

Key Terms:

  • אוֹרְחֵיהּ = his normal practice
  • לְמִיתְפַּס בְּנָהּ = to seize her young
  • כְּמִי דְּלֹא הֶעֱמִיד = like one who did not set them up

Segment 13

TYPE: קושיא

Objection to Rav Huna from Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel’s ‘even ten’ — the daf breaks off mid-argument (continues on 17a)

Hebrew/Aramaic:

תְּנַן: רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אוֹמֵר: אֲפִילּוּ עַד עֲשָׂרָה דּוֹרוֹת פְּטוּרִין, שֶׁאַחְרָיוּתָן לַנׇּכְרִי. בִּשְׁלָמָא לְרַב יְהוּדָה דְּאָמַר: נָחֵית תַּנָּא קַמָּא לְדָרֵי —

English Translation:

The Gemara raises an objection to the opinion of Rav Huna. We learned in the mishna that Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: Even until ten generations the offspring are exempt, as they serve as a guarantee for the gentile, because if he does not receive the fixed payment for the animal he will collect his debt from any offspring born to it or its offspring. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel’s use of the term: Even, indicates that he disagrees with the first tanna only with regard to how many generations of offspring are exempt, but both agree that at least some generations are exempt. Granted, according to Rav Yehuda, who says that, in exempting from firstborn status, the first tanna descended to two generational levels,

קלאוד על הדף:

Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel’s ‘even up to ten generations’ implies that the first tanna also exempts more than one generation, and that they disagree only about how far the exemption reaches. This fits Rav Yehuda, for whom the first tanna already goes down two generations. The Gemara is about to show the difficulty for Rav Huna when the daf ends; the argument continues on 17a.

Key Terms:

  • בִּשְׁלָמָא = granted — introducing the view that fits, before the one that does not
  • נָחֵית… לְדָרֵי = descended to generations — extended the exemption downward
  • תַּנָּא קַמָּא = the first tanna — the anonymous opinion in the mishna


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